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Duty to the Church, Duty to people; The responsibilities of a priest
Topic Started: Friday, 29. October 2010, 08:31 (566 Views)
Clare
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Pretty much what Eileenanne has been saying.
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 12:43
It is also possible the lady has already been received into the Church with no public fuss.
I asked my question on the basius that she has not yet been received into the Church. I would really like that we deal with it on that basis as there is obviously no issue if she has been received.
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 15:36
Pretty much what Eileenanne has been saying.
Apart from breaking a Church law - and I'm not seeking to minimise that - do you see any inherent wrong in in her receiving?
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 18:36
Clare
Saturday, 30. October 2010, 15:36
Pretty much what Eileenanne has been saying.
Apart from breaking a Church law - and I'm not seeking to minimise that - do you see any inherent wrong in in her receiving?
Yes, of course, if she is not yet a Catholic.

Bring back the midnight fast! That would go some way to solving this kind of problem.
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 18:36
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 15:36
Pretty much what Eileenanne has been saying.
Apart from breaking a Church law - and I'm not seeking to minimise that - do you see any inherent wrong in in her receiving?
And it's not just a Church law that is being broken here.

Do you think that this rule is a mere discipline of the Church?
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Bring back the midnight fast! That would go some way to solving this kind of problem.


It would also stop many catholics communicating (but I think you want this)

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Edited by Gerard, Saturday, 30. October 2010, 20:56.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Saturday, 30. October 2010, 20:55
It would also stop many catholics communicating (but I think you want this)
Quite, but mainly for the reason that it gives people a respectable excuse not to communicate, and stops the gossips speculating.

Also, there's less of a pressure to conform and make a potentially sacrilegious Communion, when most of the other congregants are remaining in their pews as well.

People need to be reminded of the idea of making a Spiritual Communion.
Edited by Clare, Saturday, 30. October 2010, 20:58.
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The Apostles received Holy Communion during and after the Last Supper! - Not after a fast from midnight.

(Incidently when the fast from midnight applied there was often a debate as to whether we should clean our teeth)
Edited by Derekap, Saturday, 30. October 2010, 21:41.
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The midnight fast and Catholics receiving Communion when they should not, are better discussed elsewhere. We may have an existing threads on those topics.

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Mairtin
Saturday, 30. October 2010, 18:36
Clare
Saturday, 30. October 2010, 15:36
Pretty much what Eileenanne has been saying.
Apart from breaking a Church law - and I'm not seeking to minimise that - do you see any inherent wrong in in her receiving?
I must be looking at this far too simplistically. I mean, was it inherently wrong for Adam to eat the apple - and look what that caused.
I'm off now for a few days during which time I'll probably agree with whatever Eileenanne and Clare say :grin:
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Clare
Saturday, 30. October 2010, 20:55
Mairtin
 
Apart from breaking a Church law - and I'm not seeking to minimise that - do you see any inherent wrong in in her receiving?
... it's not just a Church law that is being broken here.
Would you mind explaining what other law is being broken?

Clare
 
Do you think that this rule is a mere discipline of the Church?

I hate a question being answered with a question but anyway ... I don't see this as anything more than a Church discipline, that is why I am asking people to enlighten me.
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Sunday, 31. October 2010, 06:41
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Do you think that this rule is a mere discipline of the Church?

I hate a question being answered with a question but anyway ... I don't see this as anything more than a Church discipline, that is why I am asking people to enlighten me.
In a sense Mairtin you have answered yourself. if it is a question of church discipline against the fundamental commandment of Christ that we should show compassion and 'Love' then the priest must in conscience act in accordance with the law of Christ rather than the discipline of the Church.
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Eileenanne

My point Alpac, is that the priest must show GENUINE compassion and love, which would seek to bring the woman into the Church. Only false or superficial compassion and love would allow her to continue in error. I would stress again, however, that this needs to be approached with great sensitivity. Maybe her husband is in a better position to broach the subject than the priest is.

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Sunday, 31. October 2010, 10:39
My point Alpac, is that the priest must show GENUINE compassion and love, which would seek to bring the woman into the Church. Only false or superficial compassion and love would allow her to continue in error.
I'm struggling to see the logic of your argument. What do yo regard as false or superficial about the priest's compassion? What makes you think he is not seeking to bring the woman into the Church?
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