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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 00:48 (253 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 00:48 Post #1 |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 00:54 Post #2 |
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I'll bet my bottom dollar that if the nuns at my convent school had used condoms to prompt the girls to think about sexually transmitted diseases, Sister Monica Mary would have cut holes in them before the lesson. Associated Press should know Monday is priests' day off. Results for google news for words Switzerland + Catholic + condoms: Swiss Catholic Church Launches Condom Giveaway ................ The Catholic Church in Lucerne, Switzerland is distributing condoms as part of an HIV/Aids awareness campaign. ................ The Catholic Church, condoms and AIDS awareness ................ Lucerne church launches condom campaign ................ Swiss Catholic church backs condom giveaway ................ Swiss Catholics split over condom distribution I just cannot believe a marketing and advertising officer could not have anticipated such headlines. |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 17:34 Post #3 |
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No reactions? I am quite shaken by this news. If my 14 year old had been given a condom, at school or church as part of an AIDS awareness week I would have been very angry. |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 19:32 Post #4 |
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I heard this outfit interviewed on radio the other day. They said they were promoting the ABC approach: 1. Abstain 2. Be faithful 3. Use a condom. If thats what they are doing I have no problem with it. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 19:56 Post #5 |
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Girls used to say 1 Be good. 2 If you can't be good be careful. 3 If you can't be careful buy a pram. My objection to the pupils being given condoms is that as a mother who knew her teenage son's school friends, I have some idea how schoolboys would behave if they were each given a condom to take home, and I do not mean they would be taking the girls to bed. The message of AIDS awareness would be lost, while they joked around with their new toys. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 20:31 Post #6 |
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Erm. So you're more worried that boys would be using them to make waterbombs or whatever, rather than for the purpose for which they are intended...? Of course, they should not be given them in the first place, but the thought of young boys treating condoms with the respect they deserve is heartwarming. The adults who are attempting to corrupt children like this, have millstones with their names on. Edited by Clare, Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 20:32.
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 20:43 Post #7 |
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Clare my comment was about one group of boys, known to me throughout their secondary school days, who would not have used condoms for the purpose for which they were manufactured, while they were schoolboys. Gerry said the programme includes abstinence. My point was boys given condoms would forget the religious instruction, precisely because they would most likely have a lark on the way home, playing games and joking about them. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:03 Post #8 |
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As long as they're not using them "properly", why worry? I'd be more concerned if they were. And any religious instruction given by a teacher who would hand out condoms to school kids is worth forgetting. |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:18 Post #9 |
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I got the impression this was a bus parked in a town square - could be wrong, of course, might have been parked outside a church. The interviewee said they put abstinance first. But, to be honest, I think they are taking a pop at the rather extreme teaching coming from the Vatican - no condoms for any reason. This doesnt fit with traditional catholic teaching about purpose and effect as I understand it. i.e. If you are using it to prevent transmission of a deadly disease thats different from using it for contraception. And I think that was really the point this outfit was making. Gerry |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:27 Post #10 |
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Double effect doesn't apply here, Gerry. It might if a man had a condition which necessitated him wearing a condom at all times, and therefore he would be allowed to keep it on even while engaging in marital relations, but I am not aware that any such condition exists! Besides, it is still an enormous risk, since condoms are not failsafe. They provide a false sense of security. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:29 Post #11 |
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And that's why they were giving condoms to presumably unmarried school children?? Sex outside of marriage is wrong, and a condom doesn't make it right. |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:31 Post #12 |
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Clare, Agreed. See Rose's post #5 Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:48 Post #13 |
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Gerry this was nothing to do with a bus parked in a town square. It happened in the Catholic parishes in Lucerene, Switzerland. From the opening post:
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| Clare | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:58 Post #14 |
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Now, here is a good article which explains why Double Effect is not applicable in the AIDS/condom issue:
So, basically condoms are not the safest way of preventing the spread of AIDS; nor are they the only way; and there is no pressing, life or death need for a couple to have sex anyway. Therefore, the principle of Double Effect is not applicable. Edited by Clare, Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 21:58.
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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 27. October 2010, 22:19 Post #15 |
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He was doing well until he came out with that trite nonsense. |
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