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| Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,672 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Friday, 23. October 2009, 02:36 Post #91 |
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Question Time with BNP leader on the panel is viewable by internet. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321566.stm |
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| Joe Valente | Friday, 23. October 2009, 08:13 Post #92 |
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I found it a bit of an anti climax. What was all the fuss about ? |
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| PJD | Friday, 23. October 2009, 08:17 Post #93 |
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I did stay up and watch most of it. In general my reaction is similar to what Patrick had to say earlier. I certainly would not wish to watch it again Rose. It reminded me too much of fox hunting. PJD |
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| K.T.B. | Friday, 23. October 2009, 09:16 Post #94 |
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Good point, Joe. Would you agree it's about regularly examining our consciences and trying to be aware of any little (or big) racist attitudes or prejudices we might have? |
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| Clare | Friday, 23. October 2009, 11:00 Post #95 |
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I had to laugh at the idea that Griffin was "poisoning politics", as though politics was completely pure before he got a voice! |
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| Anne-Marie | Friday, 23. October 2009, 11:50 Post #96 |
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Whatever my views about the BNP, Griffin did score real bulls-eyes when he freely stated many of his party's votes were really votes against the misconduct of the other parties. And a real bulls-eye when he silenced Jack straw's denunciation of the BNP for claiming Churchill for its own: "My father served in the RAF during the war - Jack Straw's father served in jail for refusing to serve in the armed forces!" If nothing else, it vividly demonstrated just what a load of humbugs and hypocrits some politicians are. I doubt the appearance will have done the BNP any harm whatever - and almost wholly our politicians (including those in government) showed just how useless they are. The only bulls-eye Griffin amazingly failed to attempt was when he was accused of deceit by saying one thing and intending to do another. All he would have needed to say is that Labour promised a referendum on Europe - and then refused to allow one: that would have thrown the entire programme into chaos, because almost everyone in the room might have agreed with Griffin on that one! Edited by Anne-Marie, Friday, 23. October 2009, 11:52.
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Anne-Marie FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI | |
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| Richard Hannay. | Friday, 23. October 2009, 12:12 Post #97 |
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Nick Griffins father (Edgar) did National Service in the RAF part of it in India after WW2. Hardly the same as being in WW2 and as for Jack Straws father being a conscientious objector A: I think that demonstrates that Walter Straw was a man of principle. B: What relevance is it to Jack Straws position? Should the Son pay for the sins of the Father? I think Nick Griffin came over as a fool and made claims that were untrue and are being hotly denied and refuted in the press and media today. I am glad Jack Straw retained his dignity and did not get into a personal slanging match, which Nick Griffin was trying to stir, and focused on the facts and not the fiction of the BNP. |
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| Richard Hannay. | Friday, 23. October 2009, 12:34 Post #98 |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187368/Family-Winston-Churchill-slams-BNP-far-right-partys-attempt-hijack-wartime-leaders-legacy.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Dygboz4Ew&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QolIvfQEw&feature=related Edited by Richard Hannay., Friday, 23. October 2009, 12:51.
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| Angus Toanimo | Friday, 23. October 2009, 13:04 Post #99 |
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The other guest panellists and Dimbleby were like vultures, all wanting a piece of Nick Griffin. Even the audience had been briefed. I thought that, throughout, Mr Griffin came across as a gentleman - yes, he was nervous and this showed - but then he had a pack of hounds with the smell of blood in their nostrils. Most of them were rude, butting in. Nick Griffin answered the questions put to him as well as he could, Jack Straw (Why was the Justice Minister on QT, and not the Immigration Minister????) came across as a bumbling fool, attempting to dodge many questions and points that were put to him. I think the only people that seemed genuine were the leader of the BNP and that lady from the British Museum. |
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| PJD | Friday, 23. October 2009, 13:16 Post #100 |
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"I think the only people that seemed genuine were the leader of the BNP and that lady from the British Museum." Yes I agree they appeared to come across as genuine. The other lady similarly so. In fact the ladies, within reason, behaved very well. PJD |
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| Clare | Friday, 23. October 2009, 13:46 Post #101 |
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Yes, I quite liked her. She seemed good-humoured. |
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| Clare | Friday, 23. October 2009, 13:47 Post #102 |
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He also made a good point about other countries' indigenous populations, which noone addressed. |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 23. October 2009, 14:02 Post #103 |
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As this thread is in the General Catholic Section of the forum, and not in one of the "secular" sections, perhaps we could drag it back to the gist of the inaugural posting which raised questions of the engagement of Christianity with the BNP.
Edited by OsullivanB, Friday, 23. October 2009, 14:04.
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| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Richard Hannay. | Friday, 23. October 2009, 14:48 Post #104 |
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There are people who like to point the finger at the Christian Church, and Catholics in particular, as giving justification for the anti-Semitic behaviour of groups such as the BNP. Let’s face it the track record is not good. The publication of NOSTRA AETATE and much that has been done since, including the recognition of the state of Israel by JP II, has helped redress the balance. We have all to look to our own conscience, as Joe Valente pointed out. We must look also to the conduct of our Church to ensure that people like Nick Griffin cannot use us as justification for their Bigotry. NOSTRA AETATE was a step in the right direction. |
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| Clare | Friday, 23. October 2009, 14:55 Post #105 |
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I disagree. What is positive about recognising the State of Israel? (Oh, did anyone notice on Question Time that Griffin mentioned the BNP's support for Israel?) |
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