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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,673 Views)
Clare
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“As representatives of Christian Churches in Birmingham we wish to express our real concern at the invitation given by the BBC to BNP leader Nick Griffin to the popular programme Question Time."


:rofl: But we won't express our concern at invitations given to any representatives of the other godless, morally bankrupt parties.

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"The BNP sometimes claims it is standing for ‘Christian Britain’. We refute that wholeheartedly..."


So do I. They stand for a Protestant-cum-Pagan Britain. IMHO.
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I have no time, whatsoever, for the BNP. I detest their aims and their politics but I feel that no good would come from banning them from programmes such as Question Time. To ban them from such a programme would, in some ways, be accepting some of their policies. Such as attempting to deny rights to particular groups. Also I think that it could be counter productive by giving them even more publicity than an appearance by one of their members will.
Here in Ireland, Sinn Fein were banned from the airwaves for many years, they used that ban as a great example of being persecuted. Sinn Fein are now the largest Nationalist Party in Ireland.
I have no idea who the other panellists are to be but hopefully between them, Mr.Dimbleby and the audience they will be able to expose the BNP for what they are, rascist and bigoted.
I would agree with Anne Marie's sentiments and perhaps not only will the programme expose the BNP but perhaps it will expose the failures of the present crop of politicians and force some constuctive action from them before the situation deteriorates any further.
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Joe Valente
Thursday, 22. October 2009, 10:54
I have no idea who the other panellists are to be but hopefully between them, Mr.Dimbleby and the audience they will be able to expose the BNP for what they are, rascist and bigoted.
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Today, 22:35 on BBC One (except Wales)
Synopsis

The political debate comes from London, with a panel including Justice Secretary Jack Straw; the leader of the British National Party, Nick Griffin; and Chris Huhne, Liberal Democrat Home Affairs spokesman. David Dimbleby chairs.
Credits

Presenter
David Dimbleby
Participant
Jack Straw
Participant
Nick Griffin
Participant
Chris Huhne
Executive Producer
Steve Anderson

Broadcasts

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Thu 22 Oct 2009
22:35
BBC One (except Wales)
2.
Thu 22 Oct 2009
23:05
BBC One (Wales only)
3.
Sun 25 Oct 2009
18:00
BBC Parliament
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Clare
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One question, erm, make that several questions!

Why is racism worse than abortion?

Why won't many Catholics let the single issue of abortion stop them voting for a pro-abortion candidate?

Why will many Catholics let the single issue of racism stop them voting for a racist candidate?

Why is there no outrage from Catholics when pro-abortionists are given a voice?

What is it about racism?

And why do I feel I have to end this post by making it very clear that I am not a racist or a BNP supporter?

Edited by Clare, Thursday, 22. October 2009, 14:36.
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In answer to Clare:

All our political parties have pro abortion members. Racism is an added evil. In our own country, racial hatred has led to deaths due to race hatred. Victims have included people of all races.

History teaches the dangers of racism. Do you think it vaguely possible Hitler would have wanted gypsy, black, Jewish or disabled babies to be born alive?
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Thursday, 22. October 2009, 15:15
In answer to Clare:

All our political parties have pro abortion members.
And that is a parlous state. How have we sunk so far that being pro-abortion is respectable? That we have to accept it, because all parties are?

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Racism is an added evil. In our own country, racial hatred has led to deaths due to race hatred. Victims have included people of all races. History teaches the dangers of racism. Do you think it vaguely possible Hitler would have wanted gypsy, black, Jewish or disabled babies to be born alive?

I'm not defending Hitler, and history also teaches the dangers of legalised abortion, which also claims victims of all races.

And as for disabled babies, they're fair game under our respectable parties. They may well be under the BNP as well, for that matter.

And our respectable parties have countless other evils that Catholics seem willing to turn a blind eye to as well. It's not just abortion.

So, if you had to tally the bad policies of the respectable parties and compare them with the bad policies of the BNP, who would have the most?

And I don't think, incidentally, that racism needs to be the same as race hatred, any more than preferring one's own family implies hatred of other families.

I mean, if a lot of people were in danger, including your family, would you want to save your family first? And would that mean that you hate everyone else?

So, I don't believe that preference is the opposite of hatred.

If racism means simply favouring one's own race, then that seems natural. If it means hating other races, it is condemnable.
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Clare
Thursday, 22. October 2009, 14:36
One question, erm, make that several questions!

Why is racism worse than abortion?

Why won't many Catholics let the single issue of abortion stop them voting for a pro-abortion candidate?

Why will many Catholics let the single issue of racism stop them voting for a racist candidate?

Why is there no outrage from Catholics when pro-abortionists are given a voice?

What is it about racism?

And why do I feel I have to end this post by making it very clear that I am not a racist or a BNP supporter?

Clare, it may be the case that some Catholics think racism is worse than abortion, but no one on this thread is saying this, as far as I can see. We already have to live with pro-abortion policies from Government but haven't you noticed the amount of public Catholic opposition to them? Isn't this one of the things we're derided for? If you haven't come across outrage about this issue on this in this particular thread, it's probably because it is about the B.N.P., not abortion.

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Katie B thanks I have been trying to compose a reply to Clare and you have said all that I want to say.
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I have ITV News on now, the violence of the demonstration at BBC Headquarters is alarming.

Rioters demand democracy, rioting is not the way to protect or get it.
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Racism is in a category of it's own. It is the easiest thing in the world to condemn. However, how many of us have a hidden racist streak in us ? If we own a very expensive house in a nice suburban neighbourhood would we would be happy if the next door house was bought by travellers or people of a different colour or culture, if our daughter decided to marry into a different colour, would we be happy.
If a mosque was built at the end of our street . would be happy ? How many of us complain about the treatment of illegal immigrants ?
If a Scot or an Irishman supports any team from anywhere in the world who is playing against England (as they do) is he a racist.
Just a few random thoughts.
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I've just finished watching the BBC's Question Time on the iPlayer on their website.

I think Nick Griffin was given a rough time (expectedly) but handled things pretty well - and he did well in exposing the current government's policies on immigration as a farce and exposed Jack Straw as a man in denial.
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I see no reason why Nick Griffin should not be on Question Time. He and people who do not share his views had the opportunity to discuss his policies. Hearing about BNP from their own leader helped me make up my mind how I feel about his policies, that is more reliable than reading media rants.

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I think Nick Griffin was given a rough time (expectedly) but handled things pretty well ....
I felt the chairman of Question led and influenced the discussion a bit too much.

The effect upon me? Nick Griffin scored an Own Goal by telling us how he feels about the necessity for an ethnically white Britain. He wants immigration curbing, fair enough. He has no problem with people who are of the races that populated these islands in the first place. English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are OK. :wh:
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Friday, 23. October 2009, 01:30
I see no reason why Nick Griffin should not be on Question Time. He and people who do not share his views had the opportunity to discuss his policies. Hearing about BNP from their own leader helped me make up my mind how I feel about his policies, that is more reliable than reading media rants.
Now, Rose, THAT is just crazy talk :wacko: . Actually going to the source for information? Deciding for yourself?! Goodness, what IS the world coming to? :wink:
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Friday, 23. October 2009, 01:30
I see no reason why Nick Griffin should not be on Question Time. He and people who do not share his views had the opportunity to discuss his policies. Hearing about BNP from their own leader helped me make up my mind how I feel about his policies, that is more reliable than reading media rants.
It was good to watch.

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I think Nick Griffin was given a rough time (expectedly) but handled things pretty well ....
I felt the chairman of Question led and influenced the discussion a bit too much.

The effect upon me? Nick Griffin scored an Own Goal by telling us how he feels about the necessity for an ethnically white Britain.


If I remember, he said skin colour isn't an issue.

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He wants immigration curbing, fair enough. He has no problem with people who are of the races that populated these islands in the first place. English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are OK. :wh:


He has no problem with anybody who has a right to be here, regardless of colour or creed (and he made an excellent point about Muslims should be told that this country is Christian, and will always be, that Muslims are not the majority and they should respect that they are in a Christian country, or something like that).
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Friday, 23. October 2009, 01:51
He has no problem with anybody who has a right to be here, regardless of colour or creed (and he made an excellent point about Muslims should be told that this country is Christian, and will always be, that Muslims are not the majority and they should respect that they are in a Christian country, or something like that).
There is no such thing as a Christian country. People, not countries are Christian. Some people who spout "this country is Christian" wouldn't know the difference between the Church Times, Paul's letters to the Corinthians and a Papal Encyclical. They will happily tell you "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, it says it in the Bible". Dare tell them "Keep the Sabbath holy, it says it in the Bible" you are not to ram religion down their throats.

Who are the majority? Not muslims, possibly agnostics. If that were to be proven should we Catholics respect that we are in an agnostic society?

Before the muslims arrived some people wanted to know why Catholics followed a foreign religion, some would ask why we were not C of E, after all, we are in England! Bring in some Martians, that would set the cat among the pigeons.
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