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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,674 Views)
Rose of York
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BNP now shelters under the umbrella of Christianity.

Reverend Robert West, who calls himself a Christian minister, stood as a BNP candidate in the European Elections. He is moderator of the The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. A few months ago the Lincolnshire local newspaper reported that he did not preach or hold services in any church or chapel, he had simply announced he is a pastor.

The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, otherwise known as the Christian Council of Britain, is not listed on the Charity Commission register. I find no record of any mainstream denominations having any connection with that Council.

http://www.ccob.co.uk/?page_id=6

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5. The Gift of Race and Nation. The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland resolved that it recognises that all men are of one blood (or proto-race) in Adam through to Noah; and that from that one proto-race divergent races have historically devolved - Russian doll-like - (Genesis 11: 1-9) so that we are now different, though related, races and nations of men, all of whom God has made (Psalms 86: 9); which are each to bring their own distinctive glory into the kingdom of God (Revelation 21: 26). The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland therefore resolved to recognise the godly importance of race and nation as groups based on this historical and providential process of objective descent: giving rise to different organically-formed communities; sharing and passing-on common genetically inherited (physical, intellectual and character) features together with cultures, mores, relationships, loyalties, memories, and identities in common; and ultimately - by the will of God - national homelands (Genesis 10:5, 20,31,32) where an ongoing connection between land and people has developed and can be encouraged and preserved (Acts 17: 26). The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland recognises these facts and privileges, especially with regard to the historic British people whose land this is. The Christian Council of Great Britain and Northern Ireland therefore resolved especially to welcome the British as such a People, and as individuals, into membership.


Who exactly are the historic British people, whose land this is? Is the criteria the number of generations of one's ancestors, who have lived here, or race? I am confident there would be no questions asked if I applied to join, I am white, through marriage I acquired an English name. My school friends included the children of Italians, Dutch, and Roumanians, their daughters might well have English surnames, through marriage. We will be treated as having a right to acknowledge England as our homeland. The descendant of a black slave, brought here under force. is not eligible for membership, nor is a Christian of Jewish ethnicity.
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Going off track ... :wh:

I was hacked off to see that despite the meltdown suffered by the Labour vote in London Mary Honeyball managed to keep her seat.

For those who don't know, this lady is rabidly anti-Christian, particularly anti-catholic and very publically says so.

What got the BNP elected was the overall fall in people voting. The Tories actually didn't do that well, indeed, about 1% worse than the last election. But the poll was one of the smallest ever, 36% of the electorate only.

Early analysis I have seen suggests that the BNP picked up some Green Votes but the Greens didn't suffer because they picked up new votes from elsewhere. Labour did badly because they couldn't even get their own vote out, so hacked off are many of their own activists by the expenses scandal and with Gordon Brown's (non) leadership.

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william of bow
Monday, 8. June 2009, 13:41
Going off track ... :wh:


I don't consider your post off track but a clear indicator of the same apathy among the electorate that caused the problem under discussion. 36% it's worse than I had noted but then I was relying upon the BBC at about 1am, the BBC is never reliable at 1am and sadly less and less reliable at other times, but now I really am taking the wrong track.


:trio: but have you ever noticed they do nothing good or ill.

When ever we get a chance be it in the autumn or the spring of next year, the message is clear. Register and vote.

Rose your concern for the BNP masquerading as Christian is a real worry and has been argued in this thread. Canon Law expressly forbids Catholic priests taking part in civil politics and I think that persons of other denominations should only be permitted to do so as private citizens and not under the banner of their appointment. (I always thought this about Bishop Tutu and Ian Paisley)

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Can. 285 §1 Clerics are to shun completely everything that is unbecoming to their state, in accordance with the provisions of particular law.
§2 Clerics are to avoid whatever is foreign to their state, even when it is not unseemly.
§3 Clerics are forbidden to assume public office whenever it means sharing in the exercise of civil power.


Can. 287 §1 Clerics are always to do their utmost to foster among people peace and harmony based on justice.
§2 They are not to play an active role in political parties or in directing trade unions unless, in the judgement of the competent ecclesiastical authority, this is required for the defence of the rights of the Church or to promote the common good.


Members of the armed forces are not permitted to appear on the hustings in uniform and so clerics of any kind should also be denied permission to appear in clerical garb.
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Never mind masquerading as Christians, I believe that the BNP even masquerade as democrats! :rofl:
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william of bow
Monday, 8. June 2009, 14:16
Never mind masquerading as Christians, I believe that the BNP even masquerade as democrats! :rofl:
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More about Reverend Robert West.

http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/far-right-christian-group-founder-suspended-from-tory-party/

On Ekklesia forum there is a posting saying Robert West claims to be an ordained elder of the Apostolic Church, and that church has no place of worship in Lincolnshire, where he lives, and the church authorities have no trace of him.

Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 05:06 pm



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This is part of the analysis of the voting patterns from the BBC News website:

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BNP results should be analysed carefully.

They actually got fewer votes in the North-West and Yorkshire and the Humber this time than they did in 2004.

The reason the party now has two MEPs is because of the collapse of the Labour vote rather than any huge surge in support for the BNP.


Similiarly, the surge to the Conservatives in Wales is solely down to the collapse of the Labour vote there.

The Greens did very well in London, increasing their vote. The Greens can now claim to be the third largest party in London after the Conservatives and the Liberals. However they still only got two Seats.

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Em.

I am of the opinion that Catholics should stand up and be counted.
We always close our eyes and make escuses for the offender. What made us that way?
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Em.
Tuesday, 9. June 2009, 19:10
I am of the opinion that Catholics should stand up and be counted.
We always close our eyes and make escuses for the offender. What made us that way?
Possibly misinterpretation of the commands "Love thy neighbour" "turn the other cheek" "forgive seventy times seven".

If a politician of any party is doing something which harms the nation, we have a duty to bring matters to light. That does not mean we hate the person.

What made us that way? It is not a specifically Catholic problem. I know country people in their eighties who remember having to doff their caps when the squire or his lady went past in the carriage. I have also met people who had to attend chapel, on pain of losing their tied cottages. The average person thought of the land or factory owners as his "betters".
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Equality and Human Rights Commission

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The Equality and Human Rights Commission has written to the British National Party over possible breaches of anti-discrimination law. ...................


The letter was sent to the party chairman Nick Griffin


The article is long, I summarise what I see to be the main points.

The Commission is concerned that the party’s membership criteria appear to restrict membership to those within what the BNP regards as particular “ethnic groups” and those whose skin colour is white. Apparently BNP's advertisements for staff recruitment state that applicants should supply a membership number. The Commission thinks that this requirement is contrary to the Race Relations Act, which outlaws the refusal or deliberate omission to offer employment on the basis of non-membership of an organisation. The Commission is therefore concerned that the BNP may have acted, and be acting, illegally.

The Commission is also concerned that BNP members who gain seats in our electtions may not intend to offer or provide services on an equal basis to all their constituents and members of the public irrespective of race or colour.

The commission has asked BNP to provide written undertakings by 20th July that it will make the changes required by the Commission. Failure to do so may result in the Commission issuing an application for a legal injunction against the BNP.
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=15026

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Birmingham churches unite in opposition to BNP’s ‘Christian Britain’ claim


Bishop William Kenney has joined forces with more than 200 other church leaders to oppose the BNP's claim that it stands for a Christian Britain.

The Birmingham Post have published the following statement today:

“The BNP sometimes claims it is standing for ‘Christian Britain’. We refute that wholeheartedly and would like to point out that some churches have stated that BNP membership is incompatible with Christian discipleship.

“The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for all people and, celebrating the international, multi-racial, multi-ethnic nature of our churches we feel our faith in Jesus calls us to positively engage and work with our neighbours of other faith traditions. The BNP has nothing to do with Christianity and many of its hate-filled, fear-generating messages are completely counter to the loving challenge of the Christian gospel.

“We celebrate the wonderful God-given diversity of our city, region and nation.”

The statement comes in the week the BBC has decided to invite BNP party leader Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time. It will be the first time anyone from the party has appeared on the programme.

The statement says: “As representatives of Christian Churches in Birmingham we wish to express our real concern at the invitation given by the BBC to BNP leader Nick Griffin to the popular programme Question Time."

Signatories to the statement are: The Rev Bill Anderson - Birmingham District Chair, Methodist Church; The Rev Lorraine Dixon ; Anglican Diocese of Birmingham; Major Sam Edgar, Salvation Army; The Rev Julian Francis,Queen's Foundation for Theological Education, Birmingham; The Rev Ray Gaston,Methodist Church; The Rev Dr Toby Howarth - Inter Faith Advisor to the Bishop of Birmingham; The Rt Rev William Kenny, Diocesan Adminstrator, Archdiocese of Birmingham; The Rev Roy Lowes,United Reformed Church; Dr Andy Mackie - Leader, Riverside Church Birmingham; The Rev Lynnette Mullings, Centre for Black Ministries and Leadership, Queen's Foundation for Theological Education, Birmingham; Dr Anthony Reddie ,Methodist Church; Bishop Basil Richards - Church of God of Prophecy; The Rt Rev David Urquhart - Anglican Bishop of Birmingham; Pastor Calvin Young, Council of Black-led Churches

Reproduced in full, with permission
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Anne-Marie

Bully for all those condemning the BNP.
Had it not been for the disgusting, contemptuous and anti-democratic misconduct of our politicians, national and local alike, their fleecing of the taxpayer to line their own pockets (even local councillors increase their own pay and expenses whilst reducing staff because of cash shortages), their blatant lies/deception in parliament and council chamber alike, their prosecution/dismissal of leakers, their attempts to silence opposition and their refusal to listen to what the people want, voters would never have even considered voting BNP. In Europe, it turned out UKIP were the worst offenders of the lot financially!

Who the heck ARE the voters to turn to?
It's the present major parties and their politicians who have created this situation, and worry for the BNP victims or not, I would never support silencing extremists who at least force the rest of the politicians to pay attention to US.
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PJD

Well said Anne-Ma\rie

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Richard Hannay.

There is a difference between silencing extremists and rebutting their claims and I Hope Nick Griffin gets a good rebuttal tonight on question time.
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Thursday, 22. October 2009, 07:19
I Hope Nick Griffin gets a good rebuttal tonight on question time.
I hope so, too, Richard. There are concerns, though, that the Question Time format does not allow
for real, rigorous debate, rather it gives the panellists a chance to sound off about the issues without proper examination, and that David Dimbleby isn't a strong enough chairman to deal with it.

I think I take the view that yes, as an elected party the BBC have let them on to current affairs programmes, but those in which they'll be subjected to proper questioning by opponents and interviewers. Question Time isn't one of those programmes.
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