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| Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,659 Views) | |
| Emee | Friday, 1. October 2010, 20:59 Post #286 |
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Patrick ,it is widely known, including by Sir Ian Blair the former Chief of the Metropolitan Police, that Stephen Lawrence's murder was racially motivated by a gang of abusive white young men who behaved as though they were superior in some way to Stephen and his friend and this led to Stephen's death. That they didn't say they belonged to any particular group is irrelevant. It is widely accepted in police circles that these men were white supremacists and also that the Met was rife with institutional racism. Sir Ian publicly acknowledged this himself of his own force. I know you don't like the Guardian but it has appropriate information so I am going to quote it anyway: "Police appeared to take a cavalier attitude to evidence. Stephen Lawrence's friend Duwayne Brooks, who was with him when he was attacked though he was not seriously injured himself, recalled a gang shouting: "What what nxxxxr" before attacking them. But his identification evidence was dismissed as unreliable. Another eyewitness to the murder was not asked for information for an artist's impression until five years after the murder. Police also failed to take a statement from a teenager who knew the suspects who wrote in her diary on the week of the murder: "Acourts stabbed black boy up Well Hall Road, Jamie, Neil, Gary, David and Lukie." And also from the Guardian: "There have also been widespread allegations of corruption in the investigating police force. Gary Dobson's father was a former police officer. David Norris's father is a well-known south London criminal, currently in prison, known to have friends in the force." And Sir Ian acknowledges that it was this institutional racism that led to the gang's acquittal rather than their conviction. Agreed, however, racism is a 2 way thing and any Muslim who thinks it's ok to kill a non Muslim/infidel will have to answer to the real God one day... God Bless us all. Reason for edit - removal of the full spelling of a racist word. Sorry - it was a direct quote! Edited by Emee, Friday, 1. October 2010, 21:08.
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| Rose of York | Friday, 1. October 2010, 21:06 Post #287 |
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What do you propose we do with immigrants from other countries (I include white Christians)? Send them back where they came from? Do we deport parents, and keep their children and grandchildren here because the parents' country will not have them? BNP is inconsistent, I have yet to hear of them complaining about immigration of white people from Catholic countries. If their offspring and grandchildren were deported I would end up in the West of Ireland, I am told it is a delightful place but I like to live where I choose to be, not where I am sent. |
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| Mairtin | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 09:02 Post #288 |
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Lifted from another thread as it seems more appropriate here:
Is opposing immigration at any level compatible with Christianity? As far as I can see, those opposing immigration generally seek to justify their attitude on factors such as that it will lead to fewer jobs for the indigenous population, put greater demands on the economy, cause a housing shortage, change the ethos of the country or similar. That seems to me to be putting our own material belongings and standard of living before that of other people which is surely the very antithesis of Christianity. |
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| Alpac | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 09:13 Post #289 |
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I agree with you Mairtin. I would add that the best way to ensure ones culture is preserved is to live it and give witness to ones heritage with pride. I suspect you will agree with me that O'Carrols may contribute a great deal to the economy but they do little to promote Irish Culture with their tourist knick-knacks and Diddle dee music. It is not the foreigner that is undermining Irish Culture? As for the BNP, to return to the topic, I would suggest that Jesus gave a good answer to racial extremists when he met with the Woman on the Road to Tyre and Sidon , Mt 15:26 Yes Lord, but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table’ He does not deny the claim of the Jewish people to be the chosen ones but acknowledges that common humanity demands that we offer all people the right to the means of sustaining life. In other words we should not deny a stranger the right to provide for their family. If a person arrives wishing to work they should be allowed to do so. A person who arrives unable to work, but in fear of persecution in their home land, should in charity be offered refuge. The problem is what happens if someone comes who is not willing to work and who is only seeking economic asylum? Until that question is addressed the BNP will always have a following. Perhaps if we look to the gospel of Dives and Lazarus we will find a clue to the true Christian response to a beggar. It’s the best I can offer but I am sure of this I have found no text in the New testament that would sugest that Jesus would condone the uncharitable attitude of the BNP. Edited by Alpac, Saturday, 2. October 2010, 09:42.
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| tomais | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 09:34 Post #290 |
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What is culture? Is it static?Who defines it and indeed in so doing is it not done for any good ethnic, ethnological purpose? Try waliking up and again down,( as we are on a hill slope),the Royal Mile in Edinburgh. Extremes; The Chapel ,( Saint Margarets)in the Castle, passed Saint Giles down to Holy Rood Palace and Abbey with the temptations to buy " Hi Jimmy wigs and hats; tartan in various sartirical cuts of " ho ho co chure".( Made in Pakistan is very popular,albeit man madae fibres) So where is and what is Scottish culture in the passing? Concert Halls? If so the we have a predominantly European culture even extending to our Excellent art galleries. The University? Globally recognised as the far reaching specialists can confirm. Finally two football teams- so I too use symbols XXXXX the Hibs + XXXXX the Hearts. Thats Kulture as per the post Carnaby era- Carnaby Street? Yes started and founded by a Glaswegian, so now you know whom to blame! Tom on a good day. |
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| Derekap | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 13:51 Post #291 |
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Despite the ever increasing mobility of people certain accents, local cultures and mannerisms still prevail. When I travel in various directions for only about one hour there is a different "feel". I am not criticising and say there is anything wrong. However, in some cases immigrants have naturally banded together for a feeling of security and friendship and can seem threat to indigenous people. The Jews, Chinese, Italians did so long before the Caribeans, Asians and Africans. |
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| tomais | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 16:14 Post #292 |
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Derek yes of course- hence the Ghetto. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 16:49 Post #293 |
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The Jews, Chinese, Italians were preceded by the first mass immigration from Ireland. Of necessity they went where workers were needed, to the towns that grew from villages during the industrial revolution. The mill and factory owners built tiny houses for them, the Catholic bishops built churches where the Irish workers lived, hence Irish enclaves. A hundred years later it was still usual for Catholics to socialise at the parish hall and if available Irish Club. That was encouraged, to make sure Catholic young men fell in love with Catholic young women, thus avoiding mixed marriages. Lets not forget the Poles. The grandchildren of the post World War II immigrants are very attached to their heritage, and their own churches, complete with Polish clubs. We "English" are indeed a diverse nation. We who are descended from Europeans are not labelled as immigrants, because we have the same skin colour as the indigenous English people. Nick Griffin might get some shocks if he researched the ancestry of every BNP member. I propose we all start getting bitter about oppression by the Normans, following that invasion in 1066. |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 2. October 2010, 17:10 Post #294 |
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I suspect that Canaanites were more than a little troubled by Israelite immigration. The Egyptian emigration officials had been unable to stem the ouflow. In their case the problem was not red tape but Red Sea. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 3. November 2012, 18:57 Post #295 |
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Hope Not Hate is an organisation comitted to combating racial and religious hatred in Britain. On their website concerns are expressed about a new political party, called True Brits. It is made up of current and former members of the British National Party (BNP) and according to Hope Not Hate in addition to having racist policies it is anti semitic and includes holocaust deniers. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/hate-groups/true-brits/
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| Derekap | Sunday, 4. November 2012, 14:42 Post #296 |
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Thanks for the info, Rose! |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 4. November 2012, 17:53 Post #297 |
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Everybody knows about muslim extremists, but I do not think people who are unfamiliar with regions where the population is multi cultural, are aware of the tensions in those places, or the dangers posed by white extremists. Parts of this country are like time bombs awaiting detonation. If people of Irish ancestry had green skin I would be treated as non-British despite having been born here as were my parents. |
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| Derekap | Sunday, 4. November 2012, 20:04 Post #298 |
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In the 1970s my wife and I were sitting on the upper deck of a bus in Camden Town London. A small group of lively schoolboys came up and sat behind us. They had real 'boyd in a cyge, rinecoat, barth Landon accents'. When we turned around in curiosity they were obviously of West Indian origin, though most likely born here. What I am trying to say is that racial prejudice can sometimes be purely on appearance. As we have observed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria particularly, the Islamic groups are more hostile between each other when no one interferes and become a common enemy. Obviously the UK authorities must be aware of possible 7/7 terrorists - as well as fanatical Irish terrorists (who are presumably Catholic in name) and people (young and not so young) who burnt shopping areas in London last year. One thing puzzles me is that some migrants insist on having things their own way yet encourage others to come and are reluctant to live in countries where they are likely to have their Islamic ideals satisfied immediately! |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 4. November 2012, 20:13 Post #299 |
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Compare Christian missionaries overseas. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 4. November 2012, 20:24 Post #300 |
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There is little publicity in the national media of racically and religiously motivated crimes of violence committed against immigrants and people who adhere to faiths other than Christianity. There are serious problems on both sides, it is a shame there are sides. We are all brothers and sisters, children of God, one family. I think the formation of the new political party True Brits gives cause for grave concern. |
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