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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,677 Views)
tomais

Remember Oswald Mosely? Remember where he came from and which politcal party he belonged to. Do the words " brown shirts" ring a bell?
BNP have targeted areas in Glasgow.
The UK parliament had Hitlerite supporters as did the newly emerged Von gothas as Windsors.
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I think we help parties like the BNP by spreading the idea that the mainstream parties are " corrupt " or " morally bankrupt". This is patently untrue and an abuse of language and it feeds the cynicism towards politics that enable the BNP to flourish.

There are corrupt politicians in the UK but they are in a tiny minority. In terms of personal morality, I guess politicians share the same characteristics as the rest of us.

The policies of Governments and opposition parties may differ from our views on birth control, abortion, stem cell research and other issues but these policies often reflect the views that our fellow citizens take of such subjects exercising their own moral judgement and conscience. We are free to campaign against them and/or to join a particular party and try to change the policies from within.

This Government and its Conservative predecessors have generally run a reasonably fair society. That is not to say that their actions/lack of actions do not infuriate us at different times. But they are not morally bankrupt and neither is the political system


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This document gives a pretty good idea of BNP's attitude towards people who are not white.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/organisers/store/ideology/i_have_a_dream.pdf
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tomais
Wednesday, 8. April 2009, 09:29
Remember Oswald Mosely? Remember where he came from and which politcal party he belonged to. Do the words " brown shirts" ring a bell?
BNP have targeted areas in Glasgow.
The UK parliament had Hitlerite supporters as did the newly emerged Von gothas as Windsors.
Watvh your/our backs
Oswald Mosley was elected as a Conservative MP in 1918, as an Independent MP in 1922 and 1923, and as a Labour MP in 1926. He formed the New Party in 1930 or 1931. His followers were called "blackshirts" because that was what they wore as part of their uniform. I don't know of any "brownshirts" in British politics at any time. Rohm's SA or Stormtroopers were known as "brownshirts", until destroyed by Hitler's SS in 1934.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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tomais

A late friend of mine told us that his father was a " brown" shirt and was active in Edinburgh. Name? Reagan and a practising Catholic. hence my reference to " brown" shirts.
Activities in the old Edinburgh district.
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After the defeat of Germany in WW1 the occupying authorities stripped the country for reparations. The world was generally in an economic and financial crisis which made Germany's situation far worse. The Mark went down everyday for some time until they were paying millions for items which were once Pfennigs. Governments kept changing and so on. When charismatic Hitler and his band of leaders came along it was only natural the people looked to him as a saviour for their country. I must admit had I been a young German in those days I may well have voted for them not realising what would happen when they really got into power. Communism seemed fair, reasonable, and sensible in Russia until the leaders showed their true colours (mainly Red of course). Communism was against corruption, among many things, but it was (and maybe still is where it exists) even more corrupt. Franco was no more merciful in the treatment of his opposition than the opposition were to his supporters.

The three main political parties and a few independents in this country may not be perfect but they are much better than possible alternatives and there is no guarantee the alternatives will ban abortion or 'dignified' suicide.
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The rise of the National Socialist Party in Germany and the election of 1932 is shrouded in much legend and mythology. But actually, was Hitler and the Nazis 'popular'?

The general election was actually not to Hitler's advantage. They (the Nazis) were the largest unified opposition body but they did not 'win' the election as is often thought. In the three months following the election the Nazis manouvered for advantage, doing 'deals' with other opposition parties, including the Communists until they had a voting majority in the Bundestag.

One can imagine the substance of much of this dealing. In sweeps the Nazi negotiator, with armed thugs, and tells the party officials to look out the window - where several truckloads of Brownshirts are waiting for action.

It was mainly threats and violence that got Herr Hitler what he wanted. The first thing he did after he gained power was of course to abolish democracy.

But we digress. It is despicable that the BNP should seek to besmirch Our Lord in this way. But it will rebound on them. The BNP are running an anti- Pole campaign at the moment. The poster features a rather Iconic image of a Battle of Britain Spitfire. A famous image. The Spitfire featured was one that belonged to one of the two Polish squadrons that made up the Order of Battle of Fightewr Command in the summer of 1940. There was also a Czech squadron.

I would say that was an own goal wouldn't you? The Jesus poster will rebound on them also. BNP = scum.

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A favourate of mine which reminds us all of the price of staying silent and letting the bullyboys hijack the moral high ground.

First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.
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tomais
Thursday, 9. April 2009, 08:58
A late friend of mine told us that his father was a " brown" shirt and was active in Edinburgh. Name? Reagan and a practising Catholic. hence my reference to " brown" shirts.
Activities in the old Edinburgh district.
:rofl: He must have been in the Boy Scouts!


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Edited by CARLO, Friday, 10. April 2009, 12:33.
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william of bow
Friday, 10. April 2009, 09:01
......... The BNP are running an anti- Pole campaign at the moment. The poster features a rather Iconic image of a Battle of Britain Spitfire. A famous image. The Spitfire featured was one that belonged to one of the two Polish squadrons that made up the Order of Battle of Fighter Command in the summer of 1940. There was also a Czech squadron.

I would say that was an own goal wouldn't you? The Jesus poster will rebound on them also. BNP = scum.

William
Racism is based on ignorance and this is a perfect example!

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tomais
Wednesday, 8. April 2009, 09:29
Remember Oswald Mosely? Remember where he came from and which politcal party he belonged to. Do the words " brown shirts" ring a bell?
BNP have targeted areas in Glasgow.
The UK parliament had Hitlerite supporters as did the newly emerged Von gothas as Windsors.
Watvh your/our backs

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I don't know of any "brownshirts" in British politics at any time. Rohm's SA or Stormtroopers were known as "brownshirts", until destroyed by Hitler's SS in 1934.

Oswald Moseley's British Union of Fascists wore black uniforms, this earned them the name of earning them the nickname "Blackshirts."
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Friday, 10. April 2009, 12:38
Oswald Moseley's British Union of Fascists wore black uniforms, this earned them the name of earning them the nickname "Blackshirts."
That's right Rose.

Here's the silly old fool:

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Friday, 10. April 2009, 12:32
tomais
Thursday, 9. April 2009, 08:58
A late friend of mine told us that his father was a " brown" shirt and was active in Edinburgh. Name? Reagan and a practising Catholic. hence my reference to " brown" shirts.
Activities in the old Edinburgh district.
:rofl: He must have been in the Boy Scouts!
Not many people know about an outfit now closed down, it was called the Baden Powell Scouts, operated near muslim areas, and members wore the old Scout uniform (B-P hat, and shorts). It turned out they were connected with the National Front, younsters were indoctrinated with racism and religious bigotry, and the uniform fooled some parents into thinking their sons were in a respectable, healthy organisation. The Nazi party pulled a trick like that, the Hitler Youth uniform was based on that worn by the Scouts.

The truth about the B-P lot came out when several went to prison for child abuse. Sadly the official Scout Association got the flak from some of the media, they had no connection with the B-P movement, who were fake scouts operating as racist bigots.
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CARLO, I have over one hundred relatives living in a BNP heartland. It worries me, there will be civil war up there. I started a serious discussion, not a picture gallery.
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Now that I have calmed down:

BNP are a serious threat, I see no point in a discussion about a fascist organisation being side tracked with A huge picture of a loyal army officer and fine Englishman, Lieutenant-General Sir Robert Baden Powell.

Harriet Harman has confirmed what I have long been saying, that there is grave danger in parts of the UK, of BNP winning seats in an election. So far they have had a mere handful of seats in local council elections.

There is grave danger in parts of the UK, in particular in the former mill towns of West Yorkshire and Lancashire. On the one hand there are muslim extremists, on the other there are fascists.

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Labour is facing its biggest threat from the BNP, Harriet Harman admits today, as the party gears up to prevent the far right group from winning its first seats in nationwide elections this June for the European Parliament.

In an interview with The Independent Ms Harman, the Leader of the Commons, who is heading Labour's election effort in in her role as the party's chairman and deputy leader, said Labour was launching its biggest-ever campaign targeting the BNP. "It is a worry," she said. "Certainly they [the BNP] are a bigger threat than they have been before."

Labour fears the BNP could land two or three seats in the European elections, which are fought under a proportional representation (PR) system based on huge regional constituencies. Labour believes the BNP threat is greatest in the North West, where its leader, Nick Griffin, is a candidate; Yorkshire and the Humber and the East and West Midlands.


Link to full article with interview

As tomais has already said, watch your/our backs.

BNP could end up in alliance with fascists on the continent.
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