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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,660 Views)
Rose of York
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Patrick
Friday, 1. October 2010, 00:54
All incidents of violence against fellow human beings should be condemned. You ask, Rose, what does the BNP "say about whites committing racial violence against Asian people?". I don't know, but if they condemn Asian on white violence they should condemn the reverse. But my question is this:

What do the Muslim/Asian leaders of their communities say regarding Asian/Muslim violence towards vulnerable people who happen to be white in this country?
In the town where the incidents I mentioned took place, imams have condemned racial attacks by asians and white people. They also expressed shame when terrorists were arrested in that and the neighouring town. When 60 muslim graves were defaced and overturned the imam called for restraint, not retalisation.

Like I said, there are many sects of Islam. Some believe in jihadi, some do not.

Whatever is done by persons on one side, nothing justifies violent retaliation.

I do not like the rapid cultural change that was, I believe, planned in some areas, but there is no reason to treat individuals with any form of abuse.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 01:02
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Thursday, 30. September 2010, 20:21
OsullivanB
Thursday, 30. September 2010, 19:48
I'm definitely not the same as I was fifty years ago, but I refuse to change my name for that reason.
Fifty years from now it'll probably have to change to "bin Sullivan" anyway...
I fear it will simply be "the late OsullivanB". :rofl:
descendant of persons of an ethnic minority.

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Patrick
Friday, 1. October 2010, 00:54
[The Sun, Page 13, September 30, 2010]

What a wonderful source of erudition :rolleyes:
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Patrick

During the 1970s mainland bombing campaign by the IRA with atrocities like Birmingham and Guildford, quite a significant portion of the British populace - encoraged by what seems to be your your favourite newspaper if I remember correctly - regarded the entire Irish community in the UK with suspicion at best and outright hostility at worst.

Do you think they were correct to do so?
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Patrick
Friday, 1. October 2010, 00:54
BNP condemn Asian incidents of violence. What do they say about whites committing racial violence against Asian people?
The media often report crimes committed by whites on blacks or Asians, and are very clear about the fact that it was a white who committed the crime.

They are rather more reticent when it's the other way around, and it often is.

Still, violence is violence. I've said before, I doubt it would be particularly comforting for the family of a white murder victim to be "reassured" that the culprit was also white, so it wasn't a racially motivated crime!
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Mairtin
Friday, 1. October 2010, 07:30
Patrick

During the 1970s mainland bombing campaign by the IRA with atrocities like Birmingham and Guildford, quite a significant portion of the British populace - encoraged by what seems to be your your favourite newspaper if I remember correctly - regarded the entire Irish community in the UK with suspicion at best and outright hostility at worst.

Do you think they were correct to do so?
Mairtin,

I'm not too young to know that it wasn't mainly the Sun Newspaper that fuelled English peoples' suspicion of the Irish in Britain during that time. Just the same as it isn't the Sun Newspaper that fuels peoples dislike and suspicion of Asians nowadays. And you don't remember correctly - I'm a Times reader.

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Patrick
Friday, 1. October 2010, 09:59
a Times reader.

Murdoch’s upmarket/POSH version of the Sun.

But seriously , you are correct Patrick no one paper was responsible for the Anti-Irish antagonism in England in the early seventies, the bombs did that and any reporting of the bombing was pretty firmly Anti-Irish in its flavour and sadly created the impression that all Irish Catholics were supporters of the IRA and the republican movement. Most of us just wanted to live in peace and many young Irish people left Ireland in the 70’s and 80’s to escape the troubles and found themselves greeted by an Anti-Irish sentiment in England. Though I have to say this was far from universal and compared to the US reaction to terrorists I think the average English person acted with great restraint and dignity.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 09:54
Still, violence is violence. I've said before, I doubt it would be particularly comforting for the family of a white murder victim to be "reassured" that the culprit was also white, so it wasn't a racially motivated crime!
Murder is murder, the family have lost their son in an act of violence. However, frequent racially motivated violence in a town is an indication that serious trouble is brewing. If each incident were to be viewed in isolation, that would delay any major initiative to identify causes of communal resentment and seek solutions.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 13:22
Murder is murder, the family have lost their son in an act of violence. However, frequent racially motivated violence in a town is an indication that serious trouble is brewing. If each incident were to be viewed in isolation, that would delay any major initiative to identify causes of communal resentment and seek solutions.
Problems arise when the culprits are not white, because any attempt at identifying the causes would be... racist.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 09:54
The media often report crimes committed by whites on blacks or Asians, and are very clear about the fact that it was a white who committed the crime.

They are rather more reticent when it's the other way around, and it often is.
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Problems arise when the culprits are not white, because any attempt at identifying the causes would be... racist.


RUBBISH!

I suggest you read the whole of this. The victims are white.

http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=2027]
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GANGS of Asian youths are tormenting elderly and disabled people in Staincliffe with foul-mouthed racist abuse.

Residents living in a cul-de-sac on the edge of Staincliffe Estate say they are at the end of their tether after months of abuse.

The youths, aged from about 15 upwards, start congregating in Manor Way, close to Manorfields Infants School, from 4.10pm and hang around for hours on end, often up to midnight.

The yobs hurl abuse at passers-by, spitting racist comments at the elderly residents - all of whom are in their 70s and 80s.

The gang also makes lewd suggestions to girls and young women and on Saturday mocked a disabled man and threatened to tip him out of his wheelchair. In the past street signs have been pulled down and bins overturned. Cars have also been vandalised.

Police have been repeatedly called out but residents say nothing gets done. Now the residents, most of whom are too afraid to speak out publicly, are fighting back.

Residents’ spokesman Tony Gott, 71, said old people shouldn’t have to put up with the abuse.


The Press DO report racist attacks and abuse perpetrated by asians against white people. This not an isolated instance of reporting.
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Police have been repeatedly called out but residents say nothing gets done.


Nuff said. To do something would be tantamount to racism.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 09:59
I'm not too young to know that it wasn't mainly the Sun Newspaper that fuelled English peoples' suspicion of the Irish in Britain during that time.
Let's leave the newspapers aside, Patrick, and deal with my central question - were those British people who were hostile towards the whole Irish community entitled to act that way?
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 17:07
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Police have been repeatedly called out but residents say nothing gets done.


Nuff said. To do something would be tantamount to racism.
Clare. If you read through to the end of the article Rose posted you will find out what the police have been doing.
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Now, now, KTB, you surely can't expect a few facts to be allowed to disturb somebody's comfortable prejudices.
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Friday, 1. October 2010, 17:07
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Police have been repeatedly called out but residents say nothing gets done.


Nuff said. To do something would be tantamount to racism.
Clare, have some more reports.

http://www.thepressnews.co.uk/NewsDetails.asp?id=4208
I am not prepared to do the work of picking out the reports. You will need to click Edit Find and type the word "Asian". I doubt whether you want to be convinced that the media report attacks by Asians against whites. I still stress that there are faults on both sides. There are plenty of attacks by white people upon Asians. I know that town like the back of my hand, could tell you which areas are no go for Asians and which are no go for white people.
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