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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,662 Views)
Angus Toanimo
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And it would appear that the rowdy bunch of BNP activists singing racist songs weren't the only people committing a criminal offence - the people employed by the Hotel serving guests that had "too much to drink" would have committed an offence since it is illegal to serve somebody with alcohol who is obviously drunk.

This doesn't negate what the BNPers were doing but if I were the hotel owner I'd be very cautious in taking matters further.
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Absolutely agreed Patrick.

Which is probably another reason why the hotel owner went ballistic the next day. I suspect some of his anger may well have been directed towards his bar staff in this instance.

However, it could be that the gentleman on Reception only assumed they were drunk because of their behaviour. When in actual fact they may not have been all that drunk.

In fact they must have been enough aware of what they were doing to shut up every time another member of staff walked into Reception.

This is not the only time this particular hotel has come up against racism in its guests. The hotel employs other non British nationals, some of whom are waiters and waitresses, and guests have specified in the past that they do not want to be served by a foreigner.

So it seems the racial singing is not the only incident.
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According to a report in the Guardian the BNP is falling apart, and there may be a "schism".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/29/bnp-barnbrook-expelled-griffin-feud

Richard Barnbrook, who was the party's sole representative on the London Assembly, has been expelled. Barnbrooke recently launched a challenge to the leadership of Nick Griffin.

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Since its poor showing in May's general and council elections, several senior figures have come out against Griffin, at least three local councillors have resigned the party whip and many key activists have been suspended.


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Concern about the BNP's finances has been exacerbated by news that the Electoral Commission is investigating the party's 2008 accounts and that its 2009 accounts are already late. The BNP faces further legal action from the Equality and Human Rights Commission over allegations that it has failed to remove potentially racist clauses from its constitution. Lawyers say the case, due to go before the courts again in November, could see Griffin landed with a fine or even imprisonment for contempt of court.

The BNP refused to comment on reports that the party is more than £500,000 in debt or to confirm how many members had been suspended or had resigned.


If the BNP comes to an end there will be no tears from me. There is so much thuggish behaviour from members, they have no political credibility.
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Emee
Wednesday, 29. September 2010, 22:51
Absolutely agreed Patrick.

Which is probably another reason why the hotel owner went ballistic the next day. I suspect some of his anger may well have been directed towards his bar staff in this instance.

However, it could be that the gentleman on Reception only assumed they were drunk because of their behaviour. When in actual fact they may not have been all that drunk.

In fact they must have been enough aware of what they were doing to shut up every time another member of staff walked into Reception.

This is not the only time this particular hotel has come up against racism in its guests. The hotel employs other non British nationals, some of whom are waiters and waitresses, and guests have specified in the past that they do not want to be served by a foreigner.

So it seems the racial singing is not the only incident.
From my point of view, if an assumption was made by a member of staff regarding the state of the customers, it should have been reported and acted upon. If reported, other staff could have monitored the patrons either with a visible presence and/or CCTV.

Drunkeness is not always obvious. Intoxication begins with a change in behaviour, a drop in inhibitions and a marked increase in both tone and volume. It is THEN when a member of bar staff can refuse to serve a patron alcohol. It is irresponsible staff that do not monitor their patrons, and allow such behaviour to continue. It was the mixed-race guy's duty and obligation to report their behaviour either to a senior colleague or manager.

The only action the manager should be taking is to discipline his staff for their failure to do their job and to adhere to the law. Unfortunately, their lack of action also means that those singing allegedly racist songs will escape prosecution.
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As mentioned earlier, the guy on reception was not really sure where he stood, which is why he chose to ignore the men.

However, it seems the following morning, the hotel owner, upon hearing the news, left his employees in no uncertain terms as to their rights and responsibilities in such matters in an emergency meeting...
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BNP hardly chose the classiest hotel available when they stayed in Blackoool a few months ago.

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/article/1320/BNP-rally-hotel-licence-revoked

The hotel has faced fines of breaches of good hygience safety rules, was issed with two enforcement notices from Lancashire Fire and Rescue, there had been customer complaints since 2006. The Council requested the hotel produce a certificate proving there was no asbestos risk on the premises, and that regular testing of electrical equipment took place."

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The hotel was sent a letter demanding action on April 22, but on June 10 the council was forced to issue court proceedings. Management was fined £525 for seven offences of failing to comply with health and safety notices.

Mr Shaw added: "We've since visited, but Mr Metcalfe has become very aggressive and we have seen no efforts made to improve health and safety."

The fire service's enforcement notices to the hotel, whose leaseholder is Susan Metcalfe, also demanded that smoke detectors should be fitted, and that designated fire exits should be identified. These requests were ignored, said fire chiefs.

Paul Roper, spokesman for Lancashire Fire and Rescue, said: "I've little confidence the managers of this hotel will ever comply with health and safety laws.

"We've been extremely accommodating with Mr and Mrs Metcalfe.

"We granted an extension when our enforcement notice, issued in July 2007, ran out, as Mr Metcalfe said the ownership of the hotel had changed hands, and now belonged to a Mr John Donut, of South Shore Travel.

"We've tried to get hold of this man, but we've never been able to, and therefore we have reason to doubt his existence.

"The managers of this hotel have continually failed to meet any safety standards and therefore we support the council in their call for a review of the licence."

David Kelly, spokesman and "designated fire safety officer" for the New Kimberly, said: "We have tens of thousands of visitors every year, and we have never had any problems. I know everything has been dealt with on an ad hoc basis, but we have had many problems and I'm determined to sort them out.

"I've never met Mr Donut, but I believe he had some financial input and then moved to Indonesia, and he ceased to own the hotel from August this year. We have also had firebomb threats because of the BNP conference, so we have been distracted.

"We have recently installed a £35,000 fire alarm system, and under my guidance Mr and Mrs Metcalfe will run a pristinely clean, safe hotel that will be among the best in Blackpool."

Mr Kelly claimed the council had taken action against the hotel due to its hosting of the BNP conference. The council denied the claim.

The hotel will have 21 days to appeal against the decision, after which time it will no longer be able to sell alcohol, or provide entertainment.


http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2007/01/call-for-boycott-of-bnp-hotel.html

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Mr Billington said the hotel had knowingly supported for "a group of violent, racist, criminal thugs". He added: "It shouldn't be forgotten that two Lancashire BNP members, one of them a BNP local council candidate in last May's elections, are currently in custody awaiting trial on bomb-making charges."
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Unite against Fascism. The organisation that opposes the BNP through violent thuggery, lies and half-truths. Run by criminals, supported by naive, sucked-in do-gooders who can't differentiate between National Socialism, Fascism and the BNP. Not to mention that it is bankrolled and supported by David Cameron and a whole host of MPs from the three main parties (and the police!) - who seemingly condone the criminal offences committed by UAF activists (many escape prosecution).

But the bad boys are the BNP. The bad eggs of this country are the ones who oppose the last Labour Government's then-secret Mass Immigration policy. The bad people are the ones who want our Government to put the needs of its citizens first (regardless of colour or race), before those who are not entitled to be here. The last Government repeatedly allowed International Law on Asylum to be contravened.

The last Government robbed the people of this country blind, mugged every hardworking and honest taxpayer. Their gift to the nation upon leaving office? An IOU in The Treasury. The new coalition government's reponse is to further penalise the taxpayer, by making cuts.

I think we've bigger fish to fry - and Tony Blair/Gordon Brown would be a good starting point.
Edited by Angus Toanimo, Thursday, 30. September 2010, 01:59.
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That charming and erudite Cambridge graduate and nice young man Nick Griffin very helpfully explained on Question Time that the BNP was the one which associated with the non-violent wing of the Ku Klux Klan. I hope that helps as much here.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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An afterthought - should we call the non-violent wing of the KKK the Political KKK, and the rest the Official KKK?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Not to mention the Real KKK and the Continuity KKK ....
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Rose of York
Wednesday, 29. September 2010, 23:12
If the BNP comes to an end there will be no tears from me. There is so much thuggish behaviour from members, they have no political credibility.
If any (or all) of the three main parties were to come to an end, I think I'd get over it too.
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Rose of York
Thursday, 30. September 2010, 00:05
BNP hardly chose the classiest hotel available when they stayed in Blackoool a few months ago.
Do you think they get much choice, Rose?
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Patrick
Thursday, 30. September 2010, 00:40
Unite against Fascism. The organisation that opposes the BNP through violent thuggery, lies and half-truths. Run by criminals, supported by naive, sucked-in do-gooders who can't differentiate between National Socialism, Fascism and the BNP. Not to mention that it is bankrolled and supported by David Cameron and a whole host of MPs from the three main parties (and the police!) - who seemingly condone the criminal offences committed by UAF activists (many escape prosecution).

But the bad boys are the BNP. The bad eggs of this country are the ones who oppose the last Labour Government's then-secret Mass Immigration policy. The bad people are the ones who want our Government to put the needs of its citizens first (regardless of colour or race), before those who are not entitled to be here. The last Government repeatedly allowed International Law on Asylum to be contravened.

The last Government robbed the people of this country blind, mugged every hardworking and honest taxpayer. Their gift to the nation upon leaving office? An IOU in The Treasury. The new coalition government's reponse is to further penalise the taxpayer, by making cuts.

I think we've bigger fish to fry - and Tony Blair/Gordon Brown would be a good starting point.
Indeed.

I'm no BNP supporter [/obligatory disclaimer] but they're not this country's biggest problem. If anything, they're a decoy.
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Patrick
Wednesday, 29. September 2010, 21:26
Columbo would know what I mean.
What do Columbo, Nick Griffin, and Gordon Brown have in common?
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Thursday, 30. September 2010, 06:24
An afterthought - should we call the non-violent wing of the KKK the Political KKK, and the rest the Official KKK?
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Not to mention the Real KKK and the Continuity KKK ....


You two should be on stage. Although calling yourselves "Tweedledee and Tweedledum" would probably infringe some law or other.
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