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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,663 Views)
Anne-Marie

PJD
Tuesday, 27. October 2009, 21:24
Thank you for your reply Anne-Marie.
Well put.
[in my opinion that is]
PJD
Glad to please, PJD. But then it's easy when I'm not a politician! :angel:
Anne-Marie
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K.T.B.

Anne-Marie wrote:
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As a great believer in 'When in Rome do as the Romans', it would be nice if guests here treated us, our country, our laws and our culture with respect.

Most do, though, don't they, Anne Marie?
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Katie B
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 10:27
Anne-Marie wrote:
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As a great believer in 'When in Rome do as the Romans', it would be nice if guests here treated us, our country, our laws and our culture with respect.

Most do, though, don't they, Anne Marie?
Depends which guests, and how heavily they populate an area, I guess.
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Anne-Marie
Tuesday, 27. October 2009, 23:13



If only our MPs put just 10% as much effort into SERVING our country, rather than fleecing it, our economy would be booming.
But that just isn't the way politics works.
And folks wonder how 'decent' people could possibly go out and vote BNP.
"EASY", I think the answer would be! :clare:
Lets be careful not to tarnish all M.P.'s with the same brush. There are some honest and dedicated ones out there. Extremists such as the B.N.P. thrive on stereotypes, don't they? Trouble with the way politicians are viewed by many is that it leads to widespread disillusionment with mainstream politics, with people not bothering to vote, thereby letting in extremist parties such as the B.N.P.

I believe mainstream politics has the answer. They are in a position to address the problems of poverty, the housing crises, the gap between rich and poor... issues which can cause resentment, which in turn can be exploited by extreme parties. As Catholics these are the sort of issues we need to be collaring politicians on!
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Tuesday, 27. October 2009, 16:58
Funnily enough Mairtin, I seem to remember there being an article in An Poblacht a few years' back where the BNP was trying to establish an Irish equivalent in Ireland
I wasn't aware of that, Patrick, mind you An Poblacht was never on my regular reading list :wh:

I do know that they had a lot of direct links with the Loyalists in Belfast and as far as I recall, some of them even came over to take part in the Drumcree protests.
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Katie B
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 11:01
I believe mainstream politics has the answer. They are in a position to address the problems of poverty, the housing crises, the gap between rich and poor... issues which can cause resentment, which in turn can be exploited by extreme parties. As Catholics these are the sort of issues we need to be collaring politicians on!
I don't think any of them have the answer, Katie, the last 30 odd years have shown that. Yes, they are in a position to address those problems, but have served only to exacerbate them. The housing crises were brought on by Conservative and Labour, and the gap between rich and poor was started by a Conservative government. Although they're in a position to effect change for the better for the people of this country, absolutely none of them have done anything about it. They have made sure that they have houses, no financial worries and decent healthcare, to the detriment of the man in the street.

Corruption and greed from the top down has ruined the economy of this country yet you believe they have the answer? They are the problem! They are the reason petrol prices are ridiculously high, housing crises are at an all-time high, that homelessness figures are up year upon year, the NHS is in such a mess, businesses are closing left, right and centre, you pay a ridiculous amount in various ridiculous taxes upon which we see very little return, state education is sub-standard, religious and racial tension is increasing and of course, immigration and crime committed by immigrants is at an all-time high. And you say they have the answer? They are the problem! The electorate have the answer.
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PJD

Anne-Marie wrote earlier:-

I'm proud of my country, rotten though it may be, but I'm no nationalist. I recognise that however much we wish to support others in need, it should not be at the expense of 'our own' - which in my case means the citizens of this country living here being provided for their needs first. As a great believer in 'When in Rome do as the Romans', it would be nice if guests here treated us, our country, our laws and our culture with respect. And whether the Catholic Catechism states what you say or not (I haven't checked, though I was surprised to read your quote), I see nothing extreme in 'helping the locals first'.

You are in good company my dear. Pope Benedict had something similar to say in respect of the bold type above viz:

“The teaching of the Letter to the Galatians is emphatic: “So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, and especially to those who are of the household of faith” (6:10)”. [Encyclical "Deus Caritas Est"]

Further, since you are – as we all are now – interesting in politics; in the same encyclical the Pope states this:-

“The just ordering of society and the State is a central responsibility of politics. As Augustine once said, a State which is not governed according to justice would be just a bunch of thieves: “Remota itaque iustitia quid sunt regna nisi magna latrocinia?” “

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[Encyclical "Deus Caritas Est"]

Further, since you are – as we all are now – interesting in politics; in the same encyclical the Pope states this:-

“The just ordering of society and the State is a central responsibility of politics. As Augustine once said, a State which is not governed according to justice would be just a bunch of thieves: “Remota itaque iustitia quid sunt regna nisi magna latrocinia?”

Great quote, P.J.D.!

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Patrick
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 10:49
Katie B
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 10:27
Anne-Marie wrote:
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As a great believer in 'When in Rome do as the Romans', it would be nice if guests here treated us, our country, our laws and our culture with respect.

Most do, though, don't they, Anne Marie?
Depends which guests, and how heavily they populate an area, I guess.
Whilst there may be instances of "guests" breaking the law and not treating our customs with respect, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that this is widespread.
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Patrick
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 10:49
Katie B
Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 10:27
Anne-Marie wrote:
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As a great believer in 'When in Rome do as the Romans', it would be nice if guests here treated us, our country, our laws and our culture with respect.

Most do, though, don't they, Anne Marie?
Depends which guests, and how heavily they populate an area, I guess.
"They" providing they are legal immigrants or were born in the EU have a perfect right to populate any area of the UK they like and as heavily as they like!

Their behaviour is subject to the same legal restraints as the rest of the population.

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Edited by CARLO, Wednesday, 28. October 2009, 23:07.
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karenjane

Mr Griffin in Hamilton Lanarkshire today, got pelted with eggs and sent on his merry way. He was appearing on local radio.

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*cough(teehee)cough*
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For anybody who thinks the BNP are a broadly "Christian" party:

My daughter has started work in a local hotel. There is a dear gentleman of mixed race who works in the hotel and was doing a night shift on Reception a few nights ago. All night long he was subject to a rowdy group of men in the Reception area singing blatantly racial songs. He did not know where he stood to challenge this so chose to ignore them instead. The group were culpably aware of what they were doing - there was definitely no mistake in this - because every time another member of staff came along they were silent. Only to start up again after the other person had left.

When the hotel owner found out about this in the morning, he went ballistic. It was initially thought the men were part of a wedding party group who had had too much to drink. It then transpired that it was a local BNP conference.

I understand there are plans to take matters further.

But if anybody was ever under the illusion about the BNP, every so often they slip and show their true colours.

Please can we pray for all involved? Many thanks. God Bless.
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Emee
Wednesday, 29. September 2010, 20:12
But if anybody was ever under the illusion about the BNP, every so often they slip and show their true colours.
You mean, their true colour? ;)
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That's truly awful, Emee! But something isn't quite right. I wasn't there but something about what you say isn't right. Columbo would know what I mean.
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