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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,667 Views)
Mairtin
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Patrick
Monday, 26. October 2009, 11:58
Undoubtedly sick and twisted. Just like some MPs and councillors in the big three parties.
Patrick

I don't know where you get this fixation that you can defend somebody in the wrong by pointing out somebody else being wrong; I'm not aware of that being a precept of Catholic teaching, traditional or otherwise.

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Sorry, that should have been addressed to Patrick though the same thing does apply to Clare who regularly takes the same approach, particularly toward myself where I'm not allowed to challenge SSPX ideology because I disagree with HV.
Edited by Mairtin, Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:16.
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Mairtin
Monday, 26. October 2009, 12:47
Patrick
Monday, 26. October 2009, 11:58
Undoubtedly sick and twisted. Just like some MPs and councillors in the big three parties.
Patrick

I don't know where you get this fixation that you can defend somebody in the wrong by pointing out somebody else being wrong; I'm not aware of that being a precept of Catholic teaching, traditional or otherwise.
I don't know where you get this idea that I'm defending somebody in the wrong.
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Mairtin
Monday, 26. October 2009, 12:47
Patrick
Monday, 26. October 2009, 11:58
Undoubtedly sick and twisted. Just like some MPs and councillors in the big three parties.
Clare

I don't know where you get this fixation that you can defend somebody in the wrong by pointing out somebody else being wrong; I'm not aware of that being a precept of Catholic teaching, traditional or otherwise.
For a start, Mairtin, that is Patrick you just quoted.

And what I do, is point out people's double standards.

Because, anyone who is willing to vote Labour, for example, is in no position to criticise the BNP. Such a person has surrendered any claim to occupation of the moral high ground.

For what it's worth, I do not support any of the main three parties, or the BNP. Believe it or not, I do not like the BNP's preoccupation with race!

But as I said, anyone who is willing to defend the other parties but suddenly gets all precious about the BNP is displaying double standards.

Now, if anyone who condemns the BNP, and decry all its members and supporters as evil, is willing to do the same for the other three parties, then there is no double standard. The mainstream parties have evil policies too.
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As we are all brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, let us behave as such.

Who was it said " I detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?

With free speech comes the risks discussed above.

Without it, comes the kind of oppression generations before us have laid down their lives to defy.

Please come back, Richard. Your contributions are valued.

Please Clare, apologise for any offence your words may have given and ask Richard to return.

Neither of you has to change your views sincerely held. Just remember "Love one another as I have loved you ".

Who was it said that? :angel:

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Mairtin
Monday, 26. October 2009, 12:47
Edit
Sorry, that should have been addressed to Patrick though the same thing does apply to Clare who regularly takes the same approach, particularly toward myself where I'm not allowed to challenge SSPX ideology because I disagree with HV.
It's double standards, like I said. And in your case, gnats and camels! And pots and kettles. And motes and beams to boot!

So there!
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Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:22
As we are all brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, let us behave as such.

Who was it said " I detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
Not Voltaire! That's all I know.

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Please Clare, apologise for any offence your words may have given and ask Richard to return.


Please come back Richard. I did not mean to cause any offence, and I'm sorry if I did.



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Clare
Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:21
Mairtin
Monday, 26. October 2009, 12:47
I don't know where you get this fixation that you can defend somebody in the wrong by pointing out somebody else being wrong; I'm not aware of that being a precept of Catholic teaching, traditional or otherwise.
For a start, Mairtin, that is Patrick you just quoted.
Yes, I spotted that and corrected it just before your post.

Clare
 
And what I do, is point out people's double standards.

Because, anyone who is willing to vote Labour, for example, is in no position to criticise the BNP. Such a person has surrendered any claim to occupation of the moral high ground.

QED
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Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:22
Who was it said " I detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
I believe that Stalin said it to Churchill at Yalta.

Do you think he was telling the truth?

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Evelyn Beatrice Hall used those words in a book (Friends of Voltaire) in 1906, to sum up Voltaire's attitude.
Edited by Angus Toanimo, Monday, 26. October 2009, 14:00.
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Clare
Monday, 26. October 2009, 11:59
I imagine, people with just the one eye will be safe... ;)


Thank you Clare. I am blind in one eye.

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From The Telegraph's columnist Gerald Warner:

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Look, I viscerally loathe this man as much as every other decent British citizen does. I detest everything he and his odious, vile party stand for. I do not for a moment underestimate the damage it has done to Britain, the harm it is inflicting on individuals, families and communities, not to mention the worse damage it would inflict on the country if it were not headed for electoral oblivion.

Simply to see him on our television screens last night, reiterating his laughable propaganda, fiddling immigration statistics and denying the murky past that he and his party share was verging on the nightmarish. Yet, while acknowledging that it was a gut-wrenching experience, as it always is, to so much as glimpse his face or that of any of his rebarbative party colleagues, there is a democratic principle at stake here.

Free speech is one of the cornerstones of our democracy. It has to be extended to all politicians belonging to legally registered political parties that command a certain amount of votes – even if we are confident that the fundamental common sense of the British people will cause that vote to evaporate very soon.

So, no matter in how deep contempt the overwhelming majority of the nation may hold this man and his hateful party, that would not have been sufficient reason to deny him a platform last night. Freedom of expression is non-negotiable – how was it Voltaire phrased it? – even if that means our air waves have to be polluted by the spectacle of this smug, two-faced, instinctively authoritarian demagogue.

Add to those considerations the fact that he is also, for the moment, Justice Secretary and the argument for allowing Jack Straw to appear on Question Time is unanswerable, no matter how distasteful the experience may have been for decent British people.


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Yes I agree spot on.

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Clare
 
gnats and camels! And pots and kettles. And motes and beams to boot!

Please note that advertisements for car boot sales are not encouraged.
Edited by OsullivanB, Monday, 26. October 2009, 15:43.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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SeanJ
Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:55
Josephine
Monday, 26. October 2009, 13:22
Who was it said " I detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
I believe that Stalin said it to Churchill at Yalta...

What a shame - I had always thought that expression was an original of Anne-Marie's :bl:
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Monday, 26. October 2009, 11:03
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Sunday, 25. October 2009, 23:37
Will they also get rid of non-productive people on the grounds that they take more from the State than they contribute?
Yes.
Sean
Why does that not surprise me?

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