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Racism and religious hatred
Topic Started: Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:21 (1,658 Views)
Rose of York
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The BNP are preparing a high profile billboard campaign claiming that Jesus Christ would support their policies of racism and hate if He were on earth today. The organisers of the petition hope to bring 10,000 people from across the community to unite in condemnation of this claim.

If you wish you can sign the petition at:

http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/uniteagainstfear


Once you have clicked to "sign" the petition, you get a form you can complete to automatically alert ten of your email contacts. I have seen the poster, on the internet, it is dominated by a picture of Jesus. BNP is USING Christianity, to further its ends. The man they claim to be a clergyman, who is also a BNP member, is not a member of any denomination, he is a "one off" i.e. he wears a suit and clerical collar, and calls himself a minister of religion. Anybody can do that.

Three Christian denominations, The Baptist Union of Great Britain, The Methodist Church and The United Reformed Churchhave reminded people of the true Christian mess age of love for all people following the inclusion of Jesus in a BNP election campaign. Have our bishops commented?

Link - The Baptist Union
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Mrs.Pogle
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According to BNP politics, if Jesus was to come to the UK, they'd put Him on the first boat home...

This kind of stuff makes me :arggh:
Edited by Mrs.Pogle, Monday, 6. April 2009, 14:32.
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If I see such an advertisement I'll almost certainly be writing to the ASA about it. And the temptation to deface the advert would be very strong indeed. Would it be illegal ? (probably so). Would I be justified in doing that anyway? Should I?

Selfishly, I'm quite glad I don't live anywhere near a BNP stronghold - it relieves me of the decision.
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Monday, 6. April 2009, 15:47
Selfishly, I'm quite glad I don't live anywhere near a BNP stronghold - it relieves me of the decision.
Don't be sure of that.

BNP have been talking about campaigning in areas which, currently, have few muslims or non white immigrants. Their take is "this place is white, lets keep it this way".

The problem is nothing to do with the right to express an opinion about immigration, it is about the way BNP express them, and their proposals for "solultions".
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K.T.B.

:arggh: ...not the B.N.P. again. Surely it is blasphemy to use Our Lord's image to promote their horrible policies. I'd like to remind any Christian B.N.P. supporters that we are supposed to welcome the stranger. :nono:
I've signed the petition, Rose, and will be passing it on to like minded friends and family. Thanks for alerting me.
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Aaaaargh! I always find myself pulled into these discussions.

1. I do not remotely like the BNP.
2. They should not have used Our Lord in this way.

But.

Christians are not obliged to support mass immigration, on the pretext of "welcoming the stranger".

And the other parties, ones which Christians seem to think it is acceptable to support, are completely morally bankrupt.

The government is destroying the morals of the country, and corrupting children, and that is happening now, and yet people are wasting their time worrying about the tinpot threat that the BNP supposedly represents.
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 16:36
Aaaaargh! I always find myself pulled into these discussions.

1. I do not remotely like the BNP.
2. They should not have used Our Lord in this way.

But.

Christians are not obliged to support mass immigration, on the pretext of "welcoming the stranger".

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The government is destroying the morals of the country, and corrupting children, and that is happening now, and yet people are wasting their time worrying about the tinpot threat that the BNP supposedly represents.
Agreed, we are not obliged to support immigration on a higher scale than we can absorb and support, but BNP make no complaints about white Aryans coming here from USA or the Commonwealth Dominions.

Tin pot threat, my eye. Many people thought Hitler's Nazi party would never have power. BNP came in second place in many wards in local electiions in West Yorkshire and Lancashire mill towns. Anyway it is not necessary to win council or parliamentary seats to gain influence.

BNP promulgate hatred, it spreads like a cancer. We have two generations of white people who, from childhood, have heard, in their homes, hateful comments about people of Eastern faiths. When my family were young I had occasion to ask more than one person not to make remarks, in my home, such as "they should line then up against a wall and shoot them." Children can pick up such attitudes. There are two generations of Asians who have learnt to resent all Christians and white people. Parts of this country are like a tinder box, all it takes is someone to light the fuse.

I am concerned about BNP, I am also concerned about the Godless policies of mainstream parties.
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Agreed, we are not obliged to support immigration on a higher scale than we can absorb and support, but BNP make no complaints about white Aryans coming here from USA or the Commonwealth Dominions.

BNP policies are not based on a genuine concern about immigration and sustainability etc. but on hatred of others based on their nationality, culture or skin colour. That's what is so abhorrent about them.

But I totally agree with Clare too that people do put their faith in mainstream parties which are totally morally corrupt. IMO this Labour govnt. is the most corrupt I have ever come across in almost 30 years as a voting adult. Even more so than the Thatcher administration of the eighties. I would go so far as to say some of their policies are evil...
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:15
Tin pot threat, my eye. Many people thought Hitler's Nazi party would never have power.
Did they really?

People voted for him! He was popular!

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BNP promulgate hatred, it spreads like a cancer.


So everyone keeps saying. The other parties promulgate immorality and are in a position to foist it on children in primary schools, and that is more cancerous than any "hatred" that the media keeps telling everyone that the BNP propagates.

Look, I don't need to be discouraged from voting for them. I do not agree with them. I am just more scared of what we are actually living through! I could easily believe that the BNP are a red herring decoy to make us worry about something other than what we should be worrying about.

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I am concerned about BNP, I am also concerned about the Godless policies of mainstream parties.


Good. :grin: I just get fed up with the hysteria that the BNP generates, while people are less hysterical about what is really happening.
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:15
Tin pot threat, my eye. Many people thought Hitler's Nazi party would never have power.
Did they really?

People voted for him! He was popular!



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I am concerned about BNP, I am also concerned about the Godless policies of mainstream parties.


Good. :grin: I just get fed up with the hysteria that the BNP generates, while people are less hysterical about what is really happening.
As I understand it, people voted this government into power on several occasions because they were popular !

It would be very foolish to underestimate the influence of the BNP. In this present economic climate, as jobs continue to be lost and work becomes even harder to find, they will find easier to influence people.
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
Rose of York
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:15
Tin pot threat, my eye. Many people thought Hitler's Nazi party would never have power.
Did they really?

People voted for him! He was popular!

It took time for Hitler's party to become popular. In the early days many people did not think the Nazis would ever gain power. Many people will be concerned by any heightening of BNP's popularity.

Clare
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
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BNP promulgate hatred, it spreads like a cancer.


So everyone keeps saying. The other parties promulgate immorality and are in a position to foist it on children in primary schools, and that is more cancerous than any "hatred" that the media keeps telling everyone that the BNP propagates.


What do you mean, the media? Some of us check it out for ourselves, by reading BNP literature, looking at their website, reading their leaders' statements and speeches and talking to members of BNP. We are not all gullible fools who are taken in by everything we read in the newspapers.

Clare
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
Look, I don't need to be discouraged from voting for them.

Clare I understand you do not vote. Is that still so? If it is you would not take much discouraging.
I do not agree with them. I am just more scared of what we are actually living through!

Clare
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
I could easily believe that the BNP are a red herring decoy to make us worry about something other than what we should be worrying about.

Red herring dangled by whom? I repeat, we are not all swayed by the media.

Clare
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
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I am concerned about BNP, I am also concerned about the Godless policies of mainstream parties.


Good. :grin: I just get fed up with the hysteria that the BNP generates, while people are less hysterical about what is really happening.


OK, as BNP are not in a position to carry out their policies lets not worry, lets just sit back, while they spread racial and religious hatred. Who says we who are concerned about BNP are less concerned about what is really happening?

I well remember what happened on Catholic forums when the news broke about Bishop Richard Williamson's views on the Jews and the holocaust. Discussions about anti semitism were diverted to the topic of abortion and other forms of immorality. The level of one evil does not negate another evil.

Clare
Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 18:47
I just get fed up with the hysteria that the BNP generates, while people are less hysterical about what is really happening.


Am I hysterical? Answer would be appreciated.



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nelly k

some issues are worth getting hysterical about, so if the BNP decide to present themselves in the community where I live I will be hysterical, and I would find the time to work against them and expose them,
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Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 20:16
Am I hysterical? Answer would be appreciated.

:gavel: No Rose, you are not hysterical. :readbible:

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Edited by SeanJ, Tuesday, 7. April 2009, 21:14.
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People voted for him! He was popular! ...

I could easily believe that the BNP are a red herring decoy to make us worry about something other than what we should be worrying about...

I just get fed up with the hysteria that the BNP generates

Clare, never have I been so depressed by a single post. :wall:

The ignorance you display qbout the rise of the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler is simply frightening - and then you go on to dismiss the BNP.

I'm sure this quote will be familiar "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Did you think Adolph just appeared at the doors of the German parliament as a popular, ready-made political leader? Do you think his party had resorted to a coup d'etat because they had such popular support?

Think about this, in the space of 5 years Hitler came from political obscurity to absolute dictatorship of Germany by blaming a single racial group for the economic woes of Germany and of the world.

The current economic turmoil closely resembles the conditions the brought Hitler to power. Where would you like the BNP to be in 5 years time?

Am I hysterical about this? No.

Am I concerned that the BNP could achieve significant political power due to people ignoring the threat they pose? Yes!
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In a democratic society one should always keep one's boot firmly on the throat of racism and fascism of all kinds.

Even when attempts are made to divert one's attention.

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