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Does the Camera Lie?; or do the people who point it?
Topic Started: Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 15:26 (471 Views)
OsullivanB

This is an interesting example of how the media feel free to treat us cavalierly, and present a distorted image, whether maliciously or not.

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=16710
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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tomais

The camera has been led to,lie-remember the missing faces in Moscow during big marches- gaps along the line from uncle joe up to an including todays airbrushing z celebrities from size 16 to size 9;+ the digital manipulation that is the skill of the person in the editing room.
Such examples as quoted may be seen on news programmes- especially if one knows the locality.
Watch out ! Who are the current owners of the UK press? May be who ,is,the current owner?
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PJD

"Watch out ! Who are the current owners of the UK press? May be who ,is,the current owner? "

Tomais - To me its rather like the line "All the Presidents Men" used in the film of that name re Watergate. (by chance watched the video tape of it a few days ago)

What OsB has directed us to must have required 'planning' from the start!

PJD
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When the film about Queen Elizabeth I was made, the coronation scene was filmed in YorkMinster, not Westminster Abbey. Only a portion of a congregation was actually present and filmed. By computer the Minster was filled to make it look crowded.

Hollywood uses back-projection of film to deceive us. During a tour of Universal Studios in Los Angeles we saw how they 'arrange' certain scenes.
Edited by Derekap, Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 17:09.
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OsullivanB

Perhaps what most disturbed me about the piece that prompted this thread was the fact that I wasn't even a tiny bit surprised about what I read. I suspect that my (non) response is not unusual. We neither trust what we see nor are we surprised that we can't.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Paduan
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I am not remotely surprised, since the BBC's coverage of the impending visit of the Holy Father is permanently laced with insinuations of him being personal culpable for events he never had any exposure to or authority over.

The BBC is institutionally anti-Catholic, as that program on Sunday morning demonstrated (which I turned off in disgust, lest I were to throw things at a TV I cannot afford to replace).
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
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Gerard

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insinuations of him being personal culpable for events he never had any exposure to or authority over.


Cardinal Ratzinger was head of the CDF, the body responsible for disciplining wayward clergy. And which didn't.

One exaggeration does nothing to counter the opposite exaggeration.

Truth will out.

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 20:28.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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OsullivanB
Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 15:26
This is an interesting example of how the media feel free to treat us cavalierly, and present a distorted image, whether maliciously or not.

http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=16710
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North London parish protests over BBC report

St John Vianney’s, West Green, London

A parish in north London has complained over the way in which the BBC carried out an interview in their church. They say that although they were approached by a BBC reporter who asked to speak with parishioners about their views on the Pope's visit - in fact a service at the church was just used as a backdrop to an interview with someone from a campaigning group not based in the parish.

Parishioner, Barbara O’Driscoll, has sent the following letter to Mark Thompson, the Director General of the BBC about the episode.

Dear Sir

I saw the news item on the Poll for the BBC of Catholics in the UK ahead of the Pope’s visit on the BBC 6pm news yesterday evening.
I was shocked and very disappointed with the report. I feel that the BBC has misrepresented my parish of St John Vianney’s in South Tottenham, North London. I am also very disturbed at the devious way in which Robert Pigott, the BBC Religious Correspondent and his department has deceived the parish, the public and the BBC management.

The following is an account of what happened. This morning our parish priest, Father Joe Ryan informed us that the BBC would be filming in our parish during the 11 o’clock Mass and asking parishioners for their views on the Pope’s visit and Catholic issues surrounding it. The camera man arrived at around 10am, spoke to Father Ryan about the filming and started to get ready. He informed Father that the interviewer was due at 10.30. He did not come at the stated time and the Mass began punctually without him. The camera man started filming. The interviewer, Robert Pigott arrived about seven minutes after 11 and so he did not speak to Father about any aspect of the filming. He escorted Penelope Middelboe to the front of the church and “planted” her in a prominent position in one of the pews. The camera man continued filming, pointing his camera at the congregation and Penelope Middelboe. Penelope Middelboe left the church during the service. I was standing at the back of the church, because I was distributing information packs for the papal visit to Compton Park.

I saw Robert Pigott interviewing her outside the church for a considerable amount of time while the Mass was still continuing. Sister Stephanie of the parish team asked me who Penelope was, as she did not recognise her as a parishioner. I said I didn’t know her either, even though I have been active in the parish all my life. After the interview Robert Pigott and Penelope Middelboe went to their car, so I went up to them, asked her if she was one of our parishioners and questioned whether she was representing the parish with her views. Robert Pigott dismissed me, answering that it was all right, he had Fr Joe Ryan’s permission. (I checked this with Father after Mass and he said he had given permission for the BBC to film the service in our church and speak to the parishioners but not to give a platform to any third party.) They both sat in the car till the service was over. Robert Pigott then got out and finished his report using the congregation leaving the church as a backdrop. He spoke briefly to Father Ryan excusing himself that he needed to take someone to the local tube station in a hurry and drove away with Penelope Middelboe without interviewing any parishioners. The camera man stayed behind and he asked a few parishioners to express their views on the role of women in the church and on the issue of celibacy.

In the report on the news I feel we were misrepresented in the following ways:

• Penelope Middelboe, of the newly created Catholic Voices for Reform ( May 2010) was shown attending the service at St John Vianney’s, including a close-up, and being interviewed outside the church, giving the impression that she was a parishioner and supposedly a spokesperson for the parish. (I do not understand why she was brought to St John Vianney’s when the interview could have been held elsewhere.)

• When the reporter Robert Pigott was speaking, parishioners were shown in the background leaving the church. He said: “The poll shows that large numbers of ordinary Catholics are, by disputing important teachings on issues like celibacy and the role of women, prepared to challenge the Pope’s view on exactly what the church’s message should be”.

The report does not show any of our parishioners expressing their opinions. So this could be understood that those parishioners who were filmed leaving the church shared the views of what the reporter referred to as ‘ordinary Catholics’.?

It pains and saddens me that I now have to question the integrity of the BBC. It deceived our parish priest and did not do what it had explicitly received permission for, which was to seek the opinions of parishioners at St John Vianney’s.

I hope that the BBC will provide fair and honest reporting of the Pope’s historic visit. On a personal note, I thank our Queen for inviting the Pope to the nation. I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,

Barbara O’Driscoll

* Several members of St John Vianney’s parish have spoken with ICN and endorsed Barbara's letter.


Article reproduced in full, with permission
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St John Vianney parish was asked at the last minute, if a reporter could interview parishioners on a Sunday morning. The parish priest gave permission.

http://www.rcdow.org.uk/westgreen/news/default_viewnews.asp?parish_id=88005&news_ref=1673
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STOP PRESS: Just as we were about to print the newsletter a call from the BBC asking if they could visit our Parish today at the 11am Mass. It is part of a survey being done on Mass attendance and in relation to the Pope’s visit. They will wish to interview some parishioners on this topic.
That’s all for now. God Bless, Fr Joe

The reporter did not arrive at the pre-arranged time of 10.30 am. He arrived after Mass had begun, and before it was over interviewed Penelope Middelboe, who is not a parishioner, outside the church. Film had been taken of the 11 am Mass. Everything was set up for the televised report give the impression opinions expressed were those of parishioners, but the letter writer says "The report does not show any of our parishioners expressing their opinions. So this could be understood that those parishioners who were filmed leaving the church shared the views of what the reporter referred to as ‘ordinary Catholics’.?"

The camera deceived.

The parish priest could hardly observe every detail, or raise objections, whilst he was offering Mass. The congregation were inside, praying, while a non parishioner was interviewed outdoors, with the church used as a backdrop. Film of the Mass would reinforce the impression she was a member of the parish. It stinks.
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K.T.B.

Ugh! If true, and it looks like it is, what a galling thought that Robert Piggott has acted in this unprofessional way whilst being paid a presumably good salary, to which I have contributed through my blooming TV licence fee!
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Gerard
Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 17:37
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insinuations of him being personal culpable for events he never had any exposure to or authority over.


Cardinal Ratzinger was head of the CDF, the body responsible for disciplining wayward clergy. And which didn't.

One exaggeration does nothing to counter the opposite exaggeration.

Truth will out.

Gerry
And very few cases ever came before the CDF and when they did, they concentrated mostly on Canon Law requirements for laicisation, to be interpreted in light of the instructions by the then Pope regarding the rules for dispensing priests from their vows. It was not then the CDF's job to take responsibility for abuser-priests: that responsibility lay with the dioceses, whose bishops demonstrably failed. The Church operates though according to set laws, and the Vatican can't, without changing Canon Law, act unilaterally just as and when it feels like it.

When the authority to chase abusers properly was finally granted, Cardinal Ratzinger used it at once. He spoke out at the time of JPII's death about 'filth' in the Church. He cannot be said to be personally culpable and anyone Catholic who says otherwise has swallowed the anti-Catholic media's insinuations hook, line and sinker. And here we come back to the main question: the camera lies because the media wants it to. And then good Catholics are disillusioned about their own Church and their own Pope and the Devil gains another small victory as doubt and suspicion creep yet further into our hearts.

For a dispassionate outsider, it's practically impossible to discern the truth about how the Catholic church functions in practical and organisational ways, since the Media simply makes it up as it goes along.
Edited by Paduan, Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 22:05.
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Tuesday, 14. September 2010, 21:27
Ugh! If true, and it looks like it is,
See the end of the ICN article

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* Several members of St John Vianney’s parish have spoken with ICN and endorsed Barbara's letter.


Jo Siedlaka who is editor of Independent Catholic News, is no fool. I do not think she would risk publishing the report, without checking up. If it were not correct that parish priest of St John Vianney's would have something to say!

BBC may not be aware the ICN is transmitted world wide, this article will go to parishes, individuals, mission stations. http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=1News will travel fast and some may ask themselves "Can we trust BBC?"
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Gerard

Paduan,

The media exaggerates in one direction. Some catholics exaggerate in the opposite direction. That is why the interested outsider has such a difficult time.

For the record - I consider that the head of the CDF and the Head of the Church carry not only authority but also responsibility for what happens on their watch. I do not consider that I have swallowed anti-catholic propaganda. I consider that i have swallowed the Gospel.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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OsullivanB

I agree that those leaders are responsible i.e. answerable for what happens on their watch. I don't think that our Pope has shirked that butthere remains much to be done. But they are not necessarily culpable for what happens on their watch. That is where outsiders are tending to get it wrong.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Gerard

Actually I consider him culpable of contributing to the culture of secrecy and the culture of protecting clergy from the police/law/prison.

Gerry
Edited by Gerard, Wednesday, 15. September 2010, 15:14.
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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