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| Catholic Social Teaching; Connecting with people | |
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| Topic Started: Saturday, 4. September 2010, 08:09 (885 Views) | |
| PJD | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 20:55 Post #31 |
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"PJD Pope Benedict has his experiences and academic knowledge, about which I for one could teach him nothing." What I was really suggesting Rose - was that we have much to learn to the Pope, because of his experience etc. Perhaps I put my point badly. "Who would be best fitted to connect with the British people, on Catholic Social teaching, regarding for instance employment - a trade union leader, a company chairman, or a bishop - or all three working as a team? " In reply to that I simply don't know how they could work together. It would be difficult wouldn't it? for each has his/her own exeriences and presumably their own agendas. Sorry to be so negative. Now if you had suggested a theologican, a bishop, and an elderly pew sitter it might be different. PJD |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 10. September 2010, 01:13 Post #32 |
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The idea was that the company chairman and/or the trade unionist would be pew sitters! I am not so sure that it matters whether they are elderly. For good measure lets chuck in a banker with a social conscience. |
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| PJD | Friday, 10. September 2010, 16:45 Post #33 |
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"I am not so sure that it matters whether they are elderly." I think it does matter Rose. Not in all cases, but at the least age generally brings experience. PJD |
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| James | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 00:58 Post #34 |
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Who writes this stuff ?? Promote what message ? Communicate on this level ? What level ? Who does the communicating ?. Where is Paul - Corinthians first letter chapter 12 in all this communicatrion ? He seems to say it is comprised of various individula gifts from the Holy Spirit in each of us and each to our own way |
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| PJD | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 08:28 Post #35 |
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"Who writes this stuff ?? Promote what message ? Communicate on this level ? What level ? Who does the communicating ?. Where is Paul - Corinthians first letter chapter 12 in all this communicatrion ? He seems to say it is comprised of various individula gifts from the Holy Spirit in each of us and each to our own way " I agree with you here James. That is if I am reading you correctly. A lot of what is being said is pie in the sky. The abuse scandal most certainly has almost zapped any "potential for the church to connect with the public." And added to that it appears that at least half of Catholics think the hierarchy are incapable of effective leadership. PJD |
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| Mairtin | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 10:18 Post #36 |
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Well seeing that you've quoted it from my post with my name at the start of the quote, I guess it's me ![]()
The Good News.
On every possible level. Another St. Paul quote -1 Corinthians 9:22 - seems appropriate "To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak. I became all things to all men, that I might save all."
Yes indeed, all of us have a role to play but the lead should and must come from our Bishops especially when the highly autocratic nature of our Church makes it extremely difficult for laypeople to take any initiative without hierarchical support. |
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| James | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 10:25 Post #37 |
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\Yes, I thi8nk you are PJD and my comment was not against Mairtin in any way. It is just that communication seems to have taken on a statistical and promotional extension. Which becomes the norm - outside agencies promotion type of thing. Them and us. The pope becomes the centre point of journalistic display whilst the Holy Spirit and His central role in all of us fades sadly into the background. Actually with Paul there is not them or us iin the Church, There is only the Holy Spirit at wotk in each one of us - communicating His gifts through each one. Roll on St. Paul - we are not dead yet !! |
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| James | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 10:32 Post #38 |
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Sorry Mairtin, Our post seem to have crossed and it was only after rerading it that I also saw it could be directed at your comment - which it wasn't. It is the statistical percentages thing thta gets up my nose when it is applied to the teachings. The child abuse is containable as long as the image projected is ok on this lower level. If you follow me. I don't think Paul would see it that way Apologies again if wrong impression given James |
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| PJD | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 11:06 Post #39 |
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Ditto for me Mairtin; I did not see any direct connection between what James was saying and anthing you had said. PJD |
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| Mairtin | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 11:08 Post #40 |
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I don't quite follow you. Look at it this way, when teachings of the Church related to social policy were put to people, those people overwhelmingly endorsed those policies. If, instead of the specific policies being detailed to those people, they had been asked a general question along the lines of "Are the Catholic Church's teachings on social policy relevant to the world today?", I'm willing to bet my last penny that the vast majority would have said "No" or, at best. "Don't know" which I think is just as bad. The key point here as I see it is that despite the bad press that the Church tends to get about things like contraception and homosexuality, many - possibly most - of her teachings would be accepted by people if they knew about them. To my mind, the problem is not so much one of the Church's teachings being difficult for people to accept, it's more a case of our Church being totally ineffective at communicating those teachings.
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 11:35 Post #41 |
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Do they try? If I had not attended a grammar school I would not have known the Church has any social teachings. In seventy years as a Catholic I have not heard their existence mentioned, in preaching. It may be they think the pew warmers are too thick to understand. Sorry, I am in a mood. TV programme this morning has not helped. The question was "Is the Catholic Church obsessed with sex?" The public know our Church has teaching about sex, they do not know we have teaching about social justice. |
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| Anne-Marie | Sunday, 12. September 2010, 15:18 Post #42 |
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And came the answer, Rose : 'No, but it has some very dysfunctional leaders' |
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| James | Wednesday, 15. September 2010, 00:35 Post #43 |
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I think the problem between us lies in your last sentence Mairtin, "our church being totally ineffective " How do you define "our church" There are two approaches as I see it. One is a "them and us" approach. The Vatican, The hierarchy, bishops, priests etc. and then at the bottom the "Joe Soaps" Much like a multi national business group. Then we have a second viewpoint. More organic in the sense that each individual is a part who is given a gift in particuler to communicate. Has been aptly described as "the mystical body of Christ" A mystical organism. Paul has described it as an outpouring of the Holy Spirit into each soul where there is no differenial between male or female, slave or master, jew or gentile. We are the church, in Christ, as an organic force. If you follow. Sin is and always will be in all of us, but through the Mystical body, we can be made whole. There will never be a time when there is no sin in the church. Redemption is what it is all about. I think after that , it all depends an how you "see" "the church" There are those selected to ensure that the faith is preserved - which we call hierarchy - but in the eyes of some " The greater become the lesser" and Christ will wash the feet of the apostles. Edited by James, Wednesday, 15. September 2010, 00:35.
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 15. September 2010, 08:52 Post #44 |
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James, An outstanding post. Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 17. September 2010, 01:26 Post #45 |
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At last! One of our bishops has connected via the Opinion section of a good quality regional newspaper. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/opinion/Arthur-Roche-Papal-progress-that.6534163.jp It is an excellent piece, with much about social justice. I will quote two snippets.
and the bit I really like
This man writes in language we can understand. He knows all about holy huddles! |
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