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| Topic Started: Saturday, 4. September 2010, 08:09 (886 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Sunday, 5. September 2010, 19:49 Post #16 |
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Gerry I did not see it as a diversion. Calling our priests sacred may indicate why some at higher levels seem so remote, and not exactly aware of the difficulties faced by the people in the pews. As you say, Catholics do a lot in the field of social justice and welfare, but are the people who do it, as individuals or members or orders and societies, seen to be "good people" or as people who are doing good because their faith leads them on that path? |
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| Mairtin | Sunday, 5. September 2010, 20:15 Post #17 |
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But I don't think we are living it in such a way that it is noted, at least not in a positive way. The Epistle to Diognetus in the 2nd/3rd century said:
I some how doubt that we make that impression nowadays, at least not in a positive sense. |
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| Clare | Sunday, 5. September 2010, 20:45 Post #18 |
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And it does something to the pastor. It imprints an indelible character on his soul. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 5. September 2010, 20:50 Post #19 |
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If we live it, we will be noticed as good neighbours or organisations. People either care or they don't. Christians should do better, but on the individual level I find an atheist is as likely as a church-goer to help out in crisis. We have the same responsiblity to colleagues, neighbours where we live, as we have to fellow parishioners. It is a long time since I heard a homily or pastoral letter about the practical aspects of loving neighbour. If all of us do it, then people may notice and say "See how good those Catholics are, what makes them like that?" |
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| PJD | Sunday, 5. September 2010, 21:08 Post #20 |
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"Gerry I did not see it as a diversion. Calling our priests sacred may indicate why some at higher levels seem so remote, and not exactly aware of the difficulties faced by the people in the pews." For me Rose this is a good point and gets nearer to the nub of my connection with the 4th Commandment. You and others here have on not a few occasions mentioned difficulties in a congregation e.g. bossy people who try to arrange many things often unsuccessfully or cause occasion for resentment. In many case, and with all respect, they are probably on the most part younger in age. Your remarks (and others) coming from experience might well be rejected, despite the fact that seniority should lead those younger to have cause to listen more carefully to the advice of seniors. But they might not - they might if they were taking notice of their mother - but not because - even though they be more senior in age and more experienced, -they are not taking notice of their parents.. This to my mind is natural but not always logical. Thus I am referring not only to keeping to the 4th but actually breaking its principle. PJD |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 09:01 Post #21 |
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In reference to another thread - I dont think stuffing Latin down peoples throats is a good way of connecting with them. Gerry |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 09:09 Post #22 |
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Here's a quote from (sorry about this) Archbishop Lefebvre, who did spend a fair bit of time in Africa:
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 09:23 Post #23 |
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I will be taking no lessons from that rebel. I have actually been to Mass in Africa - it was in English . Also lots of and |
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| Clare | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 09:25 Post #24 |
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He was not a rebel when he was in Africa. He was in good standing in those days. I suppose Hans Kung isn't a rebel. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 10:02 Post #25 |
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Good standing. Then and now.
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 14:54 Post #26 |
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If the Bishops want to spread the Church's social teaching, they would do well to use the people who are working in fields of economics, finance, politics and social welfare. We must have Catholic trade unionists, bankers, MPs, and Chief Executives of Social Services departments, who do their best to carry out their work in accordance with Christian teaching. It just may be that they could speak more effectively on these issues, than our bishops can. They have the personal experience. Bishops have the theory. |
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| PJD | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 16:10 Post #27 |
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"They have the personal experience. Bishops have the theory." Yes Rose. Just as Pope Benedict has personal experience of escaping from Germany and risking being shot if he was caught; and many of us who even as children have personal experience of bombs being dropped upon us in quantity. As you say it's the difference between experience and theory. PJD |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 16:24 Post #28 |
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PJD Pope Benedict has his experiences and academic knowledge, about which I for one could teach him nothing. The Body is made of many parts. Who would be best fitted to connect with the British people, on Catholic Social teaching, regarding for instance employment - a trade union leader, a company chairman, or a bishop - or all three working as a team? |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 16:25 Post #29 |
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PJD Escaping from Germany? I thought he deserted from the German army as it was being defeated and was arrested in his native village and interned by allied forces within Germany. Gerry |
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| PJD | Tuesday, 7. September 2010, 20:46 Post #30 |
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"Escaping from Germany? I thought he deserted from the German army as it was being defeated and was arrested in his native village and interned by allied forces within Germany. Gerry" I didn't know that Gerry; thanks for the information. PJD |
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