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| Topic Started: Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:12 (919 Views) | |
| Mairtin | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 17:04 Post #31 |
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Could you expand that a little bit, OsB rather than us all having to Google about the Council? |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 17:20 Post #32 |
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| Derekap | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 17:49 Post #33 |
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There are plenty of sinful events in the Old Testament - so don't blame the soaps! Sorry I I'm mistaken, but there are suggestions of more autonomy at parish level. Yet in other topics there is criticism of parishes breaking Canon and Liturgical Laws. |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 17:55 Post #34 |
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Please note the word "possible" in my proposal for greater devolution of decision-making. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Clare | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 18:48 Post #35 |
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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
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Did the majority of people believe that abortion was acceptable before it was legalised? Maybe if murder and theft were legalised, people would come to accept them too. Oh, except that the victims of theft and murder are rather bigger and more obvious than a foetus, I guess. |
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| Anne-Marie | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 19:36 Post #36 |
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The Council of Jerusalem overruled the pope - Peter! Supposedly, this pope (Benedict) undertook to make the Church more conciliar prior to his election, rather than him just sitting in the Vatican issuing edicts. |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 20:35 Post #37 |
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It shows that Peter was a leader but not a ruler. |
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| Mairtin | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 20:53 Post #38 |
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Clare, I have no wish to see this thread dominated by a rehash of a discussion we had on abortion just a couple of months ago. I'll simply let it rest with a repeat of my observation at that time that in over 30 years of legalised abortion, our Church and the various pro-life organisations have not suceeded even once anywhere in the world in stopping the increased liberalisation of abortion, let alone rolling back any legislation; in my opinion, that seems to be to be an overwhelming argument for adopting a different approach. If you do want to argue that point then feel free to take it to another thread or resurrect the previous one. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 21:11 Post #39 |
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To follow up Mairtin's latest posting, legislation is often incompatible with Christian values. If we can get the Church back to some semblance of what it was in its early days, we as individuals, and members of small groups need to be seen to be living as Christians, not solely as members of some huge multi national organisation. We are the people of God is a well known slogan. People are individuals. I am asked why "The Catholic Church" does this that and the other. Why does the Catholic Church have all those buildings all those art works, all those valuables, why is it (yes, it, not we) against (for example) remarriage after divorce? Are we seen to be individuals who believe in the permanence of marriage? Do many people know that we pray when we are not inside the churches, at organised worship? One of my neighbours was surprised to hear that I pray. "Oh I thought you Catholics went to church every Sunday because you have to, it's Christians who pray." Yes that really was said, to me. |
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| Mairtin | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 21:47 Post #40 |
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I've been holding back on my own opinions to hear what other people have to say but there are two particular areas where I think a return back to earlier times would be beneficial.
I suspect that the decline in vocations is going to see movement in both those regards. |
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| Mairtin | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 21:53 Post #41 |
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I'd certainly love to see us regaining what an unknown Christian wrote in the Epistle to Diognetus which explores what is different about Christians:
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 28. August 2010, 21:57 Post #42 |
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Am I a rebel, for suggesting there is no need for Cardinals to dress as Cardinals day in day out. The scarlet sash and red trimmed cassock do make a man look important! Kings are content to wear suits for most occasions. Has anybody seen a photograph of the Pope wearing a suit, since his election to the position of Bishop of Rome? |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 29. August 2010, 08:37 Post #43 |
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I believe it - easy. Our Church has become more Catholic than Christian. More a recognised culture than a recognised spirituality. And when spirituality is recognised it is Marian rather than Christian. Gerry |
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| Clare | Sunday, 29. August 2010, 09:56 Post #44 |
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Putting the "Fun Dame" into Fundamentalist
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Marian is Christian, and Christian is Marian. |
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| Anne-Marie | Sunday, 29. August 2010, 10:28 Post #45 |
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Specifically Catholic, rather than Christian, Clare. After Pentecost, Our Lady went off to Ephesus, near Izmir in Turkey, and played no more role in the development of Christianity, according to the Letters included in our Bible. She was respected (and still is, the Mayor at Ephesus having given me a pendant of 'Mother Mary')... but was not a leader or reference-point for Christians. The focal point for Christians was always Jesus/God, not Our Lady... until long after, someone elevated Our Lady, rightly or wrongly. Yes, I can talk to her - as I can any saint - but she still isn't God, or His equal: Special, yes, but not equal. I would love our Church to get back to basics, even if that meant house Masses and no churches (much as I may love some of them)! |
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