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Turning the other cheek; is it obligatory, no ifs, no buts?
Topic Started: Tuesday, 24. August 2010, 18:14 (1,425 Views)
saundthorp

Mairtin
Friday, 27. August 2010, 09:04
OsullivanB
Thursday, 26. August 2010, 22:32
Although it is by no means forbidden I don't think non-Catholic writers or thinkers are often cited on this forum as a guide to Catholic moral thinking.
Not least when, according to Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

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In the essay on "The Utility of Religion" Mill argues that much of the apparent social utility of religion derives not from its dogma and theology but to its inculcation of a widely accepted moral code, and to the force of public opinion guided by that code. The belief in a supernatural power may have had some utility in maintaining that code, but is no longer needed and may indeed be detrimental.

Mairtin,
Just because I quote someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they may have to say.

In passing, having rarefied discussions about the rights and wrongs of turning the other cheek is all very well but musings need to brought down to earth and looked at in real life. Having been in the armed forces and reached my allotted three score years and ten I have no need of navel gazing to ascertain what my reactions would be in times of crisis when physical violence may or may not be appropriate. What's the saying, "read the book, got the T-shirt, seen the video"
Edited by saundthorp, Saturday, 28. August 2010, 15:35.
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Mairtin
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saundthorp
Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:42
Just because I quote someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they may have to say.
No, but when they dismiss the basic tenets of the Catholic Faith then their opinions have little relevance in a discussion about that Faith.
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Mairtin
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saundthorp
Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:42
In passing, having rarefied discussions about the rights and wrongs of turning the other cheek is all very well ...
I make no apologies for "rarified discussions" to try to understand better something that is regarded as one of the distinguishing features of our Faith.

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... but musings need to brought down to earth and looked at in real life.

I guess that depends on whether you want to start with human standards or with the standards that Jesus Christ set out for us.
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OsullivanB

saundthorp
Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:42
Mairtin
Friday, 27. August 2010, 09:04
OsullivanB
Thursday, 26. August 2010, 22:32
Although it is by no means forbidden I don't think non-Catholic writers or thinkers are often cited on this forum as a guide to Catholic moral thinking.
Not least when, according to Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Quote:
 
In the essay on "The Utility of Religion" Mill argues that much of the apparent social utility of religion derives not from its dogma and theology but to its inculcation of a widely accepted moral code, and to the force of public opinion guided by that code. The belief in a supernatural power may have had some utility in maintaining that code, but is no longer needed and may indeed be detrimental.

Mairtin,
Just because I quote someone doesn't mean I agree with everything they may have to say.

In passing, having rarefied discussions about the rights and wrongs of turning the other cheek is all very well but musings need to brought down to earth and looked at in real life. Having been in the armed forces and reached my allotted three score years and ten I have no need of naval gazing to ascertain what my reactions would be in times of crisis when physical violence may or may not be appropriate. What's the saying, "read the book, got the T-shirt, seen the video"
Most young men know what their reactions would be when confronted by a nubile naked willing woman. It doesn't make them right, even in possession of the book, T-Shirt, video and YouTube viral.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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saundthorp
Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:42
Having been in the armed forces and reached my allotted three score years and ten I have no need of naval gazing to ascertain what my reactions would be in times of crisis when physical violence may or may not be appropriate. What's the saying, "read the book, got the T-shirt, seen the video"
:angel: Errrm Saundy old boy, don't you mean NAVEL gazing?

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CARLO
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saundthorp

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Saturday, 28. August 2010, 12:24
saundthorp
Friday, 27. August 2010, 17:42
Having been in the armed forces and reached my allotted three score years and ten I have no need of naval gazing to ascertain what my reactions would be in times of crisis when physical violence may or may not be appropriate. What's the saying, "read the book, got the T-shirt, seen the video"
:angel: Errrm Saundy old boy, don't you mean NAVEL gazing?

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CARLO
You are so right, Carlo. Definetely a Churchillian terminological inexactitude. But then again it could have been just a simple typo. One will never know :wh:
Edited by saundthorp, Saturday, 28. August 2010, 15:39.
Truth is still the truth even if no one believes it. Error is still error even if everyone believes it.
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