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| Trades Unions and the right to strike | |
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| Topic Started: Thursday, 29. July 2010, 09:40 (397 Views) | |
| Chris | Thursday, 29. March 2012, 18:03 Post #16 |
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Agreed. I used to sit at the negotiating table as a manager, and had great respect for some of the staff reps. They were sharper than probably all of the management side. But - there is what I called a 'tribal dance' - ritualistic machinations that both sides recognised and took part in. It was almost always possible to predict the outcome of protracted negotiations even in the very early stages. All the while, the public are inconvenienced, and essential services affected. All very immature, methinks. |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 29. March 2012, 22:10 Post #17 |
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Do the possibe striking fuel drivers realise they and their families will also suffer? If there is no delivery of food and no fuel for emergency services what then? After the strike they may have to walk or cycle to their depots and if there is no fuel what then? Whilst I realise workpeople should be treated well and intelligently some union leaders enjoy the feeling of power - and certainly they wont lose their income from the union - like their members. |
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| K.T.B. | Friday, 30. March 2012, 10:35 Post #18 |
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Forum members might be interested in reading this article which gives insights into the dispute, from the perspective of a Tanker Driver: http://www.leftfootforward.org/category/good-society/
Edited by K.T.B., Friday, 30. March 2012, 10:36.
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| Marts | Friday, 30. March 2012, 10:47 Post #19 |
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Scary reading and it ties in with all we know about the modus operandi of big supermarket chains. I wonder have the supermarket directors had dinner with Dave recently? |
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| Mairtin | Friday, 30. March 2012, 11:39 Post #20 |
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"It is ripe for attack by cowboy operators, the small companies who hire and fire drivers, paying them £8-£9 per hour for a job they know ought to be paid £15 per hour." What makes their job worth £15 per hour? I'm sure there are quite a few people in the UK who would love to be earning the £8-£9 per hour of which they are so dismissive. |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 30. March 2012, 12:11 Post #21 |
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£8 an hour = £16,000 a year, assuming a 40 hour week and 50 weeks work. If work is not guaranteed for 40/50 pa.a the driver's income would be even less. Few could support a family, certainly in the South-East of England, on that income, which is less than £13,500 a year = £260 a week after tax and N.I. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 30. March 2012, 12:13 Post #22 |
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Chris, your reference to union negotiators makes me wonder whether we are talking about the same thing. An arbitration is not a negotiation forum (though just as with litigation negotiations may continue to bring the arbitration to an end before the award is delivered). Negotiation is the hallmark of other forms of alternative dispute resolution such as conciliation and mediation. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Derekap | Friday, 30. March 2012, 12:29 Post #23 |
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If what the writer is saying is true, and I have no way of disputing it, the situation is very serious indeed. However, I tend to wonder if the salaries were better the writer may not be so concerned. Why have the union, or unions, waited so long before before protesting? This has developed over years!
Edited by Derekap, Friday, 30. March 2012, 12:31.
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| Mairtin | Friday, 30. March 2012, 13:48 Post #24 |
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Nevertheless, I would be inclined to have more sympathy for the many thousands who have to survive on the minimum wage of £6.08 per hour (less for under 21s). |
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| Anne-Marie | Friday, 30. March 2012, 14:02 Post #25 |
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of petrol tanker drivers' pay rates, if there were not a lot of such drivers out of work, and wanting work, it simply wouldn't be possible to undercut their pay rates. Which rather raises other questions, like: Are the new drivers from abroad (even if the EU)? Should EU citizens be allowed to roam around seeking work in neighbouring economies if their own has sunk? These are important religious/Christian issues, because they go to the heart of our Church's social teaching... Which just might have the consequence that helping one person in trouble merely hurts another by 'swopping places'.... |
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| OsullivanB | Friday, 30. March 2012, 15:00 Post #26 |
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It is a core concept of the EU.http://europa.eu/abc/eurojargon/index_en.htm |
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| Chris | Friday, 30. March 2012, 15:14 Post #27 |
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Hi I'm on the same page with your definitions. My reference to negotiations was made to illustrate how much nonsense and posturing is involved in negotiations (often conducted via the media) when in some circumstances/sectors, such nonsense can have a profound affect on society and the welfare of the majority. In such cases, I feel that for certain sectors, the breakdown of negotiations should immediately result in binding arbitration. Hope that makes sense? If not, just shout. Cheers, Chris |
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