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Union For Priests
Topic Started: Thursday, 29. July 2010, 01:10 (347 Views)
Anne-Marie

I've read Rose's post giving detaiuls of the aims... and I've also read Peter's interpretation of them.
I can see nothing intrinsically wrong or unacceptable about the aims, and the wish to implement the Teaching of Vat2.

If the full inclusion of women does mean women priests, personally I would have no problem were that to ever happen.
If the sexuality reference is an acknowledgement that any sin of that nature is neither intrinsically less or greater than any other sin, then it seems an entirely reasonable statement (and we really are rather more obsessed with sexual sins than with any other kind!).
As for each of us being equal members, well isn't that exactly what Jesus Himself told us? The fact we each have our own role to fill with our own skills and competences, doesn't have to mean women should clean silently, while men exercise real power and kick us around! Our rather important leaders should actually be our servants, according to that Jesus guy!

I have no idea where, if anywhere, the union might go, but I'm sure not going to lose my cool about them or put words in their mouths.
Anne-Marie
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Anne-Marie
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 12:29
If the full inclusion of women does mean women priests, personally I would have no problem were that to ever happen.
Erm,

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An equal place for women in all areas of Church life, including the governing systems and the various forms of ministry.


Sounds like women priests to me!

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If the sexuality reference is an acknowledgement that any sin of that nature is neither intrinsically less or greater than any other sin, then it seems an entirely reasonable statement.


Sexual sins are worse than plenty of other sins (not all, but they are worse than some and less bad than others). And all sexual sins are mortal. Even impure thoughts.

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... (and we really are rather more obsessed with sexual sins than with any other kind!)


Only as far as people who don't like what the Church has to say are concerned. If people just obeyed (or at least tried to obey) these teachings rather than railing against them all the time, perhaps the Church wouldn't have to keep reminding people of the sinfulness of these things.
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Clare
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 13:02
Anne-Marie
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 12:29
If the full inclusion of women does mean women priests, personally I would have no problem were that to ever happen.
Erm,

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An equal place for women in all areas of Church life, including the governing systems and the various forms of ministry.


Sounds like women priests to me!

Or, alternatively giving nuns a bit more recognition, a bit more of a role, a bit more of a say ??

Gerry
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Gerard
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 13:45
Clare
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 13:02
Anne-Marie
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 12:29
If the full inclusion of women does mean women priests, personally I would have no problem were that to ever happen.
Erm,

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An equal place for women in all areas of Church life, including the governing systems and the various forms of ministry.


Sounds like women priests to me!

Or, alternatively giving nuns a bit more recognition, a bit more of a role, a bit more of a say ??
A lot of celibate women...
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Gerard
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 13:45
Or, alternatively giving nuns a bit more recognition, a bit more of a role, a bit more of a say ??
Why nuns in particular?
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tomais

I recall,and of course I paraphrase-some are more equal than others.
Should such an organisation come into irish being then considering the over all structure of the Church- I would be eagerly looking forward,as a pew kneeler, to scanning over their minutes.
Omagine the laiety going on down along this meandering via- where would it all lead to?
Protestantism ?
Mind you nothing essentially wrong with that is there?
You ladies could then all join in and,and be welcomed!
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Gerard

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Thursday, 5. August 2010, 14:38
Gerard
Thursday, 5. August 2010, 13:45
Or, alternatively giving nuns a bit more recognition, a bit more of a role, a bit more of a say ??
Why nuns in particular?

To suggest that women priests are not the only answer to certain demands and/or aims that get written down.

Gerry
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A redesigning of ministry in the Church, in order to develop the gifts, wisdom and expertise of the entire faith community, male and female.

Gerry, entire faith community. We have lots of single, married, separated and widowed who are free and willing to offer their the gifts, wisdom and expertise. Come to think of it, one could say the same about Catholic lay men.
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Gerard

Yes I agree Rose,
I was trying to counter the immediate jump in eary posters to the conclusion that the aims meand women priests.
Gerry
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I know nothing about the priests who are setting up this new organisation, but I must say it is good to hear of priests who recognise women have a part to play. What percentage of activity in a parish or diocese, needs an ordained man?
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PJD

"Sexual sins are worse than plenty of other sins (not all, but they are worse than some and less bad than others). And all sexual sins are mortal. Even impure thoughts."

I think we should be careful here Clare. Impure thoughts are only sinful if dwelt upon and/or no resistence offered.

As for those sins that are worse, one area of which are those which come from the intellect; as distinct from those that relate to the passions [C.S.Lewis].

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