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| Mairtin | Wednesday, 2. June 2010, 10:26 Post #31 |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 2. June 2010, 10:52 Post #32 |
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Both were evil, and so is the "moderate" regime we are living under now. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 2. June 2010, 10:56 Post #33 |
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| Derekap | Wednesday, 2. June 2010, 22:22 Post #34 |
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Clare wrote: "Both were evil, and so is the "moderate" regime we are living under now." Is there any Government in the world any better than ours? Has there been any Government in the last two hundred yars any better than ours at present? I'm not saying it's perfect by any means. Where are our Gulags or Concentration Camps and when do we move thousands of people from one area to another? Are all our shops and even ice-cream stalls run by one of two state enterprises as in the DDR? |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 00:21 Post #35 |
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Derek, I would add something to your list. What laws does the UK Government have that bans assembly for prayer, possession of Bibles, or printing or publishing religious newspapers and books? What UK law encourages or orders flogging or beating of women? |
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| Clare | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 15:27 Post #36 |
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Our government is hellbent on destroying people's souls. That other regimes are more obviously cruel does not make our regime not evil. It's more insidious. It is the soul which lives on, and assaults on the soul are, actually, worse than assaults on the body. Our Lord said as much. And our souls are assaulted every time we go into town and are confronted with immoral adverts and immodest fashions. Children's souls are assaulted in school by teachers and nurses who think they are helping them by corrupting them. Souls are assaulted everytime they switch on the radio and hear immoral songs. Souls are under attack everywhere we turn, and our government either encourages it or does nothing to stop it. A regime does not need concentration camps to send people to Hell. |
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| Clare | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 15:28 Post #37 |
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See my reply to Derek. |
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| OsullivanB | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 16:41 Post #38 |
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Clare, It would be more illuminating if you could give us a list of regimes of which you approve, preferably drawn from the twenty-first century or perhaps the second half of the twentieth century |
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| Derekap | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 17:40 Post #39 |
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Clare wrote: "And our souls are assaulted every time we go into town and are confronted with immoral adverts and immodest fashions. Children's souls are assaulted in school by teachers and nurses who think they are helping them by corrupting them. Souls are assaulted everytime they switch on the radio and hear immoral songs. Souls are under attack everywhere we turn, and our government either encourages it or does nothing to stop it." Are you suggesting we should have an Islamic Government? My father used to say when he was young (the decades around 1900) men used to get excited when they saw a woman's ankles! When I was young, abortions took place despite being illegal, pornographic literature was available, though illegal, perhaps euthanesia took place and was kept very secretive indeed. And the sensation when women's two-piece bathing costumes were introduced!! How many artistic sacred paintings of women, produced well before the twentieth century, show women bare-breasted and cherubs with boys genitals? - and people swoon over them! No matter what laws a country has it is up to the individual to make decisions. How many Catholics disobey the Church's Teachings and rulings conscienctously? When I visited Cape Town in the early 1970s an Afrikaans newspaper had a front page sensational headline referring to girls bathing nude in someone's private domestic swimming pool. It referred to a court case that someone had brought up with the police. The girls were about ......6 years old! |
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| Mairtin | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 19:14 Post #40 |
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As I said before, Clare, you do come out with some utter nonsense at times. Your government is not "hellbent on destroying people's souls" if for no other reason than that your government doesn't believe you have souls to be destroyed. Government comes from elected politicians and elected politicians come from society in general and they reflect that society; the vast bulk of society nowadays have no interest whatsoever in religion, they see it as a total irrelevance, and the politicians simply reflect that. You cannot blame society for thinking like that; we are the privileged people selected by God to receive His message but with that privilege goes a heavy responsibility - it is our duty to spread the Good News everywhere and if society is not getting the message then it is our fault, not society's fault. As I said in another thread, Christianity in the Western world had it easy for about 1500 years from Charlemagne up until a generation ago when secular law more or less followed Christian principles; nowadays it's different, we have to get off our backsides and "sell" the message. It's perhaps no coincidence that it's in the Western world where we had it so easy that religion is substantially in decline whereas in the "undeveloped" world where Christianity has had to fight its corner, it is in fact still growing and progressing. Edited by Mairtin, Thursday, 3. June 2010, 19:15.
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| PJD | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 19:36 Post #41 |
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"As I said before, Clare, you do come out with some utter nonsense at times. Your government is not "hellbent on destroying people's souls" if for no other reason than that your government doesn't believe you have souls to be destroyed." Very good Mairtin, very good (smile) PJD |
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| Anne-Marie | Thursday, 3. June 2010, 19:42 Post #42 |
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And in this country these days, the parents (who allowed), together with all the neighbours (who oggled long enough to notice), would find themselves on the sex abuse and pædophile registers!!! If you want to talk about extremism, there is your best example... Shortly to be followed by the political loonies (I do hope my lot aren't first out of the trap!!) who, after yesterday's horrific events, will probably now demand even more tightening of the gun laws. I do hope no-one will be mad enough to start driving their cars down pavements to massacre dozens at a time - but then you'd discover the utter hypocrisy of we politicos, 'cos there's simply no way we would ever be able to ban cars because of the occasional nutter abusing them.... and anyway, the idea would never cross their minds! That's extremism... and that's really dangerous: we're not ALL mad. |
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| Clare | Friday, 4. June 2010, 17:27 Post #43 |
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Islam doesn't save, now, does it, being a false religion and all. Islam won't get anyone to Heaven.
Yes, and I daresay murder and theft took place too. So what. The things you mention are now taking place legally (or probably will soon). Would you argue that we should legalise other crimes because people have always committed them?
Can you really not see the difference between such art and adverts and the like which are designed to provoke impure thoughts and behaviour?
Let's have anarchy then. Why bother with any laws? |
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| Clare | Friday, 4. June 2010, 17:28 Post #44 |
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Not sure that there are any, OsB. |
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| Clare | Friday, 4. June 2010, 17:36 Post #45 |
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Well, the current government is a bit of an unknown quantity, but its predecessor was led by a Protestant, and his predecessor ostensibly became a Catholic, and even before then would attend Mass. Maybe it's naive of me to believe that they believe that people have souls.
You're joking? You think that "elected" politicians reflect us?
... because of the immorality that the government does nothing about preventing society imbibing, and our "elected" "representatives" are quite happy with the moral decay. It suits them.
Who's blaming society? I'm blaming the government and the media.
I don't disagree with you there. But we have to fight our corner now. That means resisting what is going on. It means protesting. It means objecting. It does not mean ignoring it! And, of course it means praying. But there needs to be action too. Edited by Clare, Friday, 4. June 2010, 17:37.
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