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Hans Kung's Open Letter
Topic Started: Saturday, 17. April 2010, 00:19 (4,283 Views)
CARLO
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Rose of York
Monday, 26. April 2010, 20:00
CARLO
Monday, 26. April 2010, 19:50
Quicunque vult
Sunday, 25. April 2010, 22:00
This thread seems to have missed the definitive put-down of Kung's nonsense: see here

QV
Oh dear!

I prefer my humble posting of 23 April at 23:19 hrs!
Where is that post, CARLO? I cannot find it.
SORRY 16 April at 2319 hrs!

Thanks Rose

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stefan


Hans Kung is either a prophet or an enemy of the Catholic Church.
In either case Jesus tells us to love him!
Unfortunately we have a history of killing our prophets, or at best in not listening to them.
Listening is a very painful activity, because it may reveal flaws in our thinking.

Love, love & love

Stefan
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garfield

People are listening and responding, that's why we have a forum
and welcome to it Stefan
Edited by garfield, Wednesday, 11. August 2010, 20:19.
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Thanks to the internet, laity have an opportunity to listen, think, and share our thoughts. The Holy Spirit inspires prophets. But for forums, many Catholics would have no opportunity to hear what they say, and explore the meaning, and do our best to discern what is and what is not genuinely the work of the Spirit.

I have mixed feelings about Hans Kung's open letter, now that Stefan has revived the thread, I hope to receive some guidance from members more widely read than I, on these matters.

Welcome to the forum, Stefan.
Keep the Faith!

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The sooner Hans Kung is laicised the better. He is a dangerous heretic.
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Gerard

Good post Stefan.

We do have a history of killing our prophets - though nowadays demotion and banishment are more the norm.

Hans Kung is a prophet who loves the Catholic Church.

Gerry

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Some in high places "love the Church" they are prepared to sit back and watch it fall apart. They do not like change. What they love is not The Church, it is The Church as it is in their comfort zone.
Keep the Faith!

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tomais

As an ignorant onlooker what indeed is this all about?
Multiple argumentative positions in introspective beliefs based upon aged learning.
Result?
ZERO !
perhaps a little more understanding analysis may be fruiitful to those to whom ancient yellowing parchments and Chises whispered hand me downs are discomforting.
So then the age old that geriatric question quibble- what is truth?
Who is Kung? What is Kung? Soon a footnote as will be so many others filling up the spaces in minority journals and on the far away very far away horizons of millions and millions of religious punters world wide.
Now to serious English news; how goes the football opening games?
Which team does Archbishop Nichols support?
And how many Pakistanis are going to die of drowning and disease?
See letters in the " Times"
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tomais
Monday, 16. August 2010, 21:16
As an ignorant onlooker what indeed is this all about?
Multiple argumentative positions in introspective beliefs based upon aged learning.
tomais to see what it is all about see post 1 on page 1 of this little jaw jaw.

Agreed, Pakistan trouble is the important news. Not getting as much coverage as the big trunami because pictures of water moving slowly are not as sensational as big wave moving fast and furiously.
Keep the Faith!

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PJD

"Who is Kung? What is Kung? Soon a footnote as will be so many others filling up the spaces in minority journals and on the far away very far away horizons of millions and millions of religious punters world wide"

True, true, true Tomais; but as such keeps some of us on their toes.

PJD
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or on our knees?
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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Monday, 16. August 2010, 19:38
Hans Kung is a prophet who loves the Catholic Church.

Then why does he hate everything the Church has ever stood for?

What he loves is manifestly not the Church. He wants the Church to be something She is not and has never been.

He wants a Church that ordains women, approves of abortion, contraception, and homosexuality, etc. In short, he wants a non-Catholic Church.

He does not love the Church, any more than a man loves his wife when he wants her to be someone other than she has always been.

He is not a prophet. Prophets are right. He is utterly wrong on practically everything.
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Clare
Tuesday, 17. August 2010, 09:29
Gerard
Monday, 16. August 2010, 19:38
Hans Kung is a prophet who loves the Catholic Church.

Then why does he hate everything the Church has ever stood for?

What he loves is manifestly not the Church. He wants the Church to be something She is not and has never been.

He wants a Church that ordains women, approves of abortion, contraception, and homosexuality, etc. In short, he wants a non-Catholic Church.

He does not love the Church, any more than a man loves his wife when he wants her to be someone other than she has always been.

He is not a prophet. Prophets are right. He is utterly wrong on practically everything.
Well said. How it could be said that Hans Kung loves the Church is beyond me. He hates the Church, that is plainly evident. As Clare said, he wants Her to be anything but Catholic.

He is not licensed to teach, having had that revoked. Catholics should not listen to him.
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Tuesday, 17. August 2010, 10:19
How it could be said that Hans Kung loves the Church is beyond me. He hates the Church, that is plainly evident. As Clare said, he wants Her to be anything but Catholic.

He is not licensed to teach, having had that revoked. Catholics should not listen to him.
Would you care to be more specific, Patrick?
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Rose of York
Tuesday, 17. August 2010, 20:57
Patrick
Tuesday, 17. August 2010, 10:19
How it could be said that Hans Kung loves the Church is beyond me. He hates the Church, that is plainly evident. As Clare said, he wants Her to be anything but Catholic.

He is not licensed to teach, having had that revoked. Catholics should not listen to him.
Would you care to be more specific, Patrick?
A Religion the New York Times can love.

This article gives a great insight to Hans Kung.

These remarks are mild, however, compared to the blistering invective Küng directed at Pope John Paul II. He marked the 25th anniversary of John Paul's election by labeling his pontificate "a disaster," In his 2003 memoir, he declares that the young Karol Wojtyla received a "thin theological foundation" because he couldn't make the cut for the Jesuit-run Gregorian University, and so was forced to settle for a third-rate education at the Angelicum. As the Pope lay on his deathbed, Küng wrote in Der Speigel that he had become "the symbol of a fraudulent church that has calcified and become senile."
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