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| Angus Toanimo | Wednesday, 18. August 2010, 20:51 Post #151 |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 09:40 Post #152 |
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I'm still waiting for this piece of evidence. Have I missed it? |
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| Gerard | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 10:56 Post #153 |
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Clare, Here is some:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_prob_en.html Gerry |
| "The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998). | |
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| Angus Toanimo | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 11:54 Post #154 |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 12:38 Post #155 |
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That tends to be what discussion of it is! I've not noticed that those who want to discuss it agree with the Church's teaching in the matter. |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 12:41 Post #156 |
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So, it wasn't a case of the Church adopting celibacy in response to worldly pressure then. |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 14:09 Post #157 |
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To clarify: Pope John Paul II may have meant ordination of women was not up for discussion at official level, by persons in authority in the Church. I don't agree with Communism, fascism, atheism or materialism, but I discuss them. Clare, you have discussed female ordination. You agree with the Church's teaching in the matter. |
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 15:31 Post #158 |
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Only to defend Church teaching against those who reject it. Someone has to! |
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| Rose of York | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 18:41 Post #159 |
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Now, now, Clare, you can't have your cake and eat it. Pope John Paul declared that women's ordination isn't up for discussion, but that doesn't stop you discussing it, Clare. I am not aware of His Holiness having made exceptions for people who discuss it only to defend Church teaching against those who reject it. That puts you in a fix.Agreed, someone has to, if you want to be obedient you'll have to leave it to the Pope.
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| Angus Toanimo | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 18:44 Post #160 |
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Oh dear.... Lol!
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| Clare | Thursday, 19. August 2010, 18:58 Post #161 |
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It's a fair cop! |
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| Emee | Friday, 20. August 2010, 01:03 Post #162 |
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If virginity is "the higher call" how come Our Lord made St Peter the rock on which our Church would be built? ![]() I think the clue is in the "everyone has their own proper gift from God" part, and the: "This is not given to everyone..." Which is an indication that God has also selected some of His followers for marriage. St Zelie, the mother of St Therese heard an internal voice when she first met her husband St Therese's father St Louis. It said: "This is the man I have prepared for you." It is evident that God selects some to remain single while He quite clearly also has a Plan for others to marry. He would also have planned for Sts Anne and Joachim to marry, Sts Elizabeth and Zachariah (a priest of his time) to marry, and so on throughout the whole of history, in order that certain babies critical to the salvation of the world may have been born... St Paul had certain views on marriage, but we can see clearly from the above that marriage has also proven crucially important over the years, so we should never denigrate it as a second class choice. None of us should ever be made to feel ashamed of being either married or single because "everyone has their own gift". We cannot all be "this" and we cannot all be "that"; we cannot all be an arm and we cannot all be a leg - that is plain. Isn't that obvious?? It makes perfect sense to me... |
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| tomais | Friday, 20. August 2010, 16:04 Post #163 |
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Anatomical structures / endocrinological systems too may not be so very well defined " in utero"., and hence lead to some living confusions.. That being an observable condition - conditions. AND I am not sneaking cross sexual activities in around any mulberry bush. Most in these well described conditions lead difficult lives,at least in western styled cultures. This of course raises that essential question,which is to be seen in ancient philosopical texts- "who am I" Doubtless there are academic and pratising jesuit specialists who would offer an opinion/ opinions on this delema, for sure a delema it is when faced having a Higher leaving Certificate with excellent higher grades and thinking of entering a seminary, once of course having found one. Finally,( yes) there may already be such examples in recorded church histories. What harm? |
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I am not aware of His Holiness having made exceptions for people who discuss it only to defend Church teaching against those who reject it. That puts you in a fix.
7:54 PM Jul 11