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Services of Word and Holy Communion; commonly called "Eucharistic Services"
Topic Started: Monday, 23. April 2007, 23:55 (2,632 Views)
Poesy
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Derekap
Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 20:19
I don't think the feeding of the 5,000 was Holy Communion, just a communal feeding event. After all it was fish and bread - no mention of wine.
Derek, I was looking at feeding the 5000 as a pre figurement of the Holy Mass, sharing in the one bread.

They were eating miracle bread, bread which had been miraculously multiplied, like the at the Wedding Feast, the guests are drinking miracle wine.

I know is was not the literal body and blood of Our Lord, but representing, and it is miraculous as well.
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Derekap
Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 20:19
I don't think the feeding of the 5,000 was Holy Communion, just a communal feeding event. After all it was fish and bread - no mention of wine.
Christ didn't use Lamb at the feeding of the 5000, he used fish, because obviously it was not the Sacrificial Mass.
There was no wine at this event, because you can have either one, because it is included in the body.

Christ did everything for a purpose , everything He did was a pre figurement preparing the disciples for what was to come.


I am not an expert, but that is how I perceive it.




Edited by Poesy, Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 20:52.
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Tuesday, 27. July 2010, 21:03
It doesn't seem to have spread to these parts. One Saturday morning last month, there was some confusion and the supply priest who had been due to say Mass didn't arrive. So certain members of the congregation decided that they would hold a service of word and communion. A service which began with the bell ringing as at the start of Mass, and an EMHC processing from the sacristy to the chair on the sanctuary. This in a parish where there had been Mass the previous evening and where there would be four masses on the Sunday.
Would any of you like to talk about this?

The Service took place on a Saturday morning, so it was not essential to have any form of Eucharistic worship or distribution of Holy Communion.

The document Redemptionis Sacramentum makes it clear it is not for a group of lay people to take it upon themselves to decide, on spec, to hold such a service. See paragraphs 162 to 167. http://www.adoremus.org/RedemptionisSacramentum.html

A Service of Word and Holy Communion consists, so far as I recall, of the reading of the Gospel, the Lords Prayer and reception of Holy Communion. It would be interesting to know whether the EMHC sat on the celebrant's chair. As for processing up the aisle, and a bell being rung, is this person appointed to the rank of Priestlet?

Bishop Jabale of Menevia banned the services, except for serious reasons, in March 2006. http://www.dioceseofmenevia.org/bishop/pastoral_letters.htm

On Page 5 of another thread http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/7106564/5/ pastoral letters from the bishops of both Wrexham and Plymouth are quoted. Both bishops make it clear the services are not generally to take place.
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Rose of York
Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 19:57
Clare
Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 16:44
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Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 16:01
I know that trads don't have Eucharistic ministers,and what I would like to ask Clare is,

1. Who takes the Sacraments to the sick?
A priest.
In theory they do,...
and in practice. They manage.

But in normal times, ie before VII when there were no EMHCs, and when there was no SSPX, lay people did not do sick calls.
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Clare before Vatican 2 people unable to get to Mass due to sickness did not have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion weekly.
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Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 21:31
Clare before Vatican 2 people unable to get to Mass due to sickness did not have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion weekly.
And perhaps they shouldn't today, if they can only have weekly Holy Communion by means of EMHCs.
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Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 21:42
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Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 21:31
Clare before Vatican 2 people unable to get to Mass due to sickness did not have the opportunity to receive Holy Communion weekly.
And perhaps they shouldn't today, if they can only have weekly Holy Communion by means of EMHCs.
:butbutbut: I should imagine that Our Lord longs to come to the sick, through Holy Communion.

(Sorry Moderators, off topic)
Edited by K.T.B., Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 21:51.
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I will try again, later, to discuss Carol-Anne's posting about the Services of Word and Holy Communion that took place recently, in her parish.
Edited by Rose of York, Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 21:50.
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Yet another discussion has been diverted. We have a thread about Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. There are threads about womens' role in the Church. This one is specifically about Services of Word and Holy Communion.Can we please show some courtesy when a member makes a serious post, expressing concerns about a happening, and avoid totally digressing?

I tried, to no avail to get this back on topic yesterday evening.





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Wednesday, 28. July 2010, 12:36
As an Ozzie would say: "Good on them!". The people have gathered for Holy Mass so an EMHC leads prayers, proclaims the readings for the day and presumably distributes Holy Communion. With all respect for The Rosary would it have been the better alternative or even "Sorry folks, you'll have to go home we have to lock-up the church- rules is rules!".
It was a Saturday morning, not a Sunday, or time for the Saturday Vigil.

How can it be "good for them" when all Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion should have been told, these services must not take place except in dire emergency when there is no means of hearing Mass on a Sunday. There is a set way of having these services, they are not DIY, individually composed at the whim of a person who decides, on spec, to have one.

This person took it upon his or her self to have a self designed service, walking up the aisle to the sound of the bell, proceeding to the celebrant's chair, being the focus of attention. If the group of parishioners who did this don't like being in a church with rules, why did at least one accept commissioning in a role that does have strict rules?
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Frankly I came to a quick conclusion that the occasion was a Sunday or the previous Saturday Evening. However, the occasion was pre-advertised as a Holy Mass on Saturday Morning, the congregation came together for that purpose but there was no priest. In these particular circumstances I sincerely feel the EMsHC did the right thing. What do objectors think should have been, in their opinion, the correct reaction?

I disapprove of the EMHC using the Celebrant's Chair or processing down the aisle unless the Sacristy is near the front door.
Sounding the bell before leaving the Sacristy is surely not something 'Over the top'?

Incidently, I know of a parish which has the Service of the Word and Holy Communion every morning this week (except Saturday) - whether led by the Deacon or a Lay Person I don't know.
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Derekap
Thursday, 29. July 2010, 17:40
In these particular circumstances I sincerely feel the EMsHC did the right thing. What do objectors think should have been, in their opinion, the correct reaction?
I do not think it is for them to disobey instructions signed J Ratzinger. One could compare it to a private soldier doing his own thing because he disagrees with the Chief of Defence Staff.
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Posted in error, moved to appropriate thread.

Edited by Mairtin, Thursday, 29. July 2010, 22:13.
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Mairtin, I wrote above "Yet another discussion has been diverted. We have a thread about Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. There are threads about womens' role in the Church. This one is specifically about Services of Word and Holy Communion." I keep trying to get this discussion back on topic, it has gone on for nearly two days.

Do you mind awfully if we discuss Services of Word and Holy Communion?
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Sorry, Rose, I meant to post that in the other thread as I did with my previous post but clicked the wrong button. I've moved it now.
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