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Blogging and the Church
Topic Started: Thursday, 14. February 2008, 16:05 (1,744 Views)
Rose of York
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Tuesday, 19. October 2010, 21:03
It seems that trouble is brewing in the blogosphere, with threats of lawsuits in civil and church courts.
Bearing in mind that a lot of Catholics consider that complaining to or about a priest is indeed a wicked transgression of the highest magnitude, it cannot be acceptable for a priest to sue a priest. Volunteers please apply to me, to protect the organisation, we must organise a cover up.

For which one shall we cover up?
:rofl:
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Angus Toanimo
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Tuesday, 19. October 2010, 21:03
It seems that trouble is brewing in the blogosphere, with threats of lawsuits in civil and church courts.
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Bad News I regret to inform you that I am faced with an impossible situation. Mgr Loftus has refused to accept my apologies and threatens me with action in civil and church courts. As a result I am very worried and will speak to our Archbishop. However I will not be posting any further blogs and may well shut down completely pending resolution of this matter. Please pray for me.

http://michaelclifton.blogspot.com/ (You may have to be quick to see that as it looks as if the blog is to be removed)

More details are given By Fr Blake at his blog
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If Msgr Loftus wishes to take Fr Clifton to court then so be it. I hope he [Loftus] gets smashed at every turn. He's a nasty piece of work.
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PJD

Patrick wrote:

"If Msgr Loftus wishes to take Fr Clifton to court then so be it. I hope he [Loftus] gets smashed at every turn. He's a nasty piece of work."

In dealing with the question of Eucharist, Sacrifice etc., in such instances as this (to quote Newman), it is not a question of being nice but whether there is error. And it is very easy for simple error to creep in in this area.

However in the light of the above, but bearing in mind we do have the relevant readings in the Catholic Times (in this case spread over two editions), what are we to do here??

Comment on the theological argument? - that is up to the administrators surely - to say yea or nay.

PJD
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Gerard

I would normally avoid Ray Blake's Blog like I would avoid the plague but it seemed like it might be the only source of info and I clicked through. I was most surprised to see this:

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This is an important justice issue of freedom of speech that affects a fundamental right to debate in the Church, it should not be ignored!


Do I understand this correctly? Ray Blake is arguing for freedom of debate in the Church? Is he turning liberal?

I guess every cloud has a silver lining.

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Gerry
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Mouse into-" Catholic Truth Scotland",today!
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Gerard

I did - and wished I hadn't.

:rolleyes:

Gerry
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Clare
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Monsignor Loftus had this letter in The Tablet in June:
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The three articles on the tragic case of Sister Margaret McBride's involvement in the recent abortion controversy (The Tablet, 5,June) must encourage all who have been left puzzled. And encouragement must often suffice where enlightenment cannot be had, since in the Church we see only as through a glass, darkly.

I wonder, however, if one further consideration could be explored. Has sufficient thought been given to the possible role of the foetus as an unjust aggressor? The existence of a negative reply from a Roman dicastery is not proof that it has.

Is a victim allowed to take the life of an aggressor in order to save his or her own life, even if the agressor had not formed, or had been unable to form, an aggressive intent? If so, would not a foetus whose objective aggression was threatening the mother's life, be in the same moral/legal position as an unwitting aggressor , or an aggressive child or mentally defective adult?

Basil Loftus. (By email)

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Angus Toanimo
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Wednesday, 20. October 2010, 09:42
I did - and wished I hadn't.

:rolleyes:

Gerry
Why not, Gerry?

http://www.catholictruthscotland.com/

He's either sick or lost the Faith. In either case, he's still a vindictive swine. My tolerance level for bullies who like to throw their weight about is zero. Please pray for him but especially Father Clifton.
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Gerard

Patrick,

I thought the newsletter was at least as bad as Loftus.

Gerry
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Patrick wote about Mgr Loftus:

"He's either sick or lost the Faith. In either case, he's still a vindictive swine."

I completely disagree with the view and the very uncharitable way it is expressed.

I must admit I have no clue as to what Mgr Loftus objects.

I fully realise he is no friend of those who disagree with much of Vatican 2 and Church events since, despite the fact they are often a very outspoken group who I suspect do not speak for the majority of Catholics.
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Wednesday, 20. October 2010, 22:44
Patrick wote about Mgr Loftus:

"He's either sick or lost the Faith. In either case, he's still a vindictive swine."

I completely disagree with the view and the very uncharitable way it is expressed.

I must admit I have no clue as to what Mgr Loftus objects.

I fully realise he is no friend of those who disagree with much of Vatican 2 and Church events since, despite the fact they are often a very outspoken group who I suspect do not speak for the majority of Catholics.
Derek,

My view regarding Msgr Loftus is justified given the way he has treated not only Fr Clifton but Fr Ray Blake also. It wasn't so long ago he upset the Head of Gabriel Communications for attacking him and his discussion forum (don't forget that Loftus is a columnist for the Catholic Times, one of Gabby Comms publications), leading to that Editor to publicly take him to task over it. I happen to have a copy of that thread regarding the issue, which was indirectly a result of the "Loftus vs Marsden" forum thread to which Loftus objected, rather rudely.

His threatening to sue fellow priests is nothing short of disgraceful, given that what they said about him in their blogs is fully and completely justified. Fr Clifton is a retired priest - Msgr Loftus is a bully.
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Wednesday, 20. October 2010, 22:44
Patrick wote about Mgr Loftus:

"He's either sick or lost the Faith. In either case, he's still a vindictive swine."

I completely disagree with the view and the very uncharitable way it is expressed.

I must admit I have no clue as to what Mgr Loftus objects.

I fully realise he is no friend of those who disagree with much of Vatican 2 and Church events since, despite the fact they are often a very outspoken group who I suspect do not speak for the majority of Catholics.
Derek, Father Michael Clifton describes himself as a priest of the traditional mould, but I assure you he is no extremist, he comes across as a rather nice gentleman.

He is quite poorly, has mentioned on his blog the need for surgery due to very painful back problems, and sometimes posted saying he was sorry he had not posted for a while due to being so tired - but despite that continued saying Mass.

We have a new priest who is available for Latin Masses for those who want them anywhere within his traveling distance, he too is a thoroughly nice man whose top priority is the care of his parishioners if they need him due to illness or any other reason.

Traditional mould does not always boil down to refusal to have anything to do with anything post Vatican 2. It just means that some people still retain a deep love for a particular type of liturgy.

It would take a lot to persuade me to sue a sick man over something they wrote, not an accusation of any crime or anything like that, just something that Mgr Loftus took to be critical of his beliefs, and Fr Clifton published the fact he has apologised.
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PJD

"I happen to have a copy of that thread regarding the issue, which was indirectly a result of the "Loftus vs Marsden" forum thread to which Loftus objected, rather rudely."

Yes Patrick, I too have copies on my computer - of all the totalcatholic discussion files relating to the threads at that time.

On reflection I agree that Fr.Loftus needs our prayers. And it is possible that he may be sick as Patrick indicated above.

PJD

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Derekap
Wednesday, 20. October 2010, 22:44
I must admit I have no clue as to what Mgr Loftus objects.

I fully realise he is no friend of those who disagree with much of Vatican 2 and Church events since, despite the fact they are often a very outspoken group who I suspect do not speak for the majority of Catholics.
Msgr Loftus objects to insinuations that he has written heresy.

I think I might sue anyone who suggests I'm a schismatic.

I reckon the Pope ought to sue sedevacantists.

Our Lord should sue people who don't believe He's the Messiah.

Msgr Loftus needs to get some perspective.
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I realise Rose that not all, by any means, lovers of The Tridentine Holy Mass nor Latin are critical of the Church and my comment did not reflect that because I immediately felt very strongly that Patrick's criticism of Mgr Basil Loftus was inappropriate.

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I have a subscription for The Catholic Times and find Mgr Loftus's articles very interesting and usually down to earth. I may not agree with everything written therein but so far I have not found any reason whatsoever to terminate or not renew my subscription.
Edited by Derekap, Thursday, 21. October 2010, 11:46.
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