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| Topic Started: Yesterday, 9:41 PM (115 Views) | |
| karenjane | Yesterday, 9:41 PM Post #1 |
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I have noticed when I have been at a church service maybe a First Holy Communion or Wedding or Funeral say, many or should I say all none Catholics do not kneel down at the appropriate times. They gladly stand or sit but never kneel. Is it lack of respect, non belief or what, just curious. Why !!! Karenjane |
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| Patrick | Yesterday, 9:49 PM Post #2 |
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Laziness and lack of discipline, probably. Although some do have legitimate reasons for not kneeling, being prevented by a disability, for example, or illness. Edited by Patrick, Yesterday, 9:50 PM.
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| Anne-Marie | Yesterday, 9:51 PM Post #3 |
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Pure assumption on my part, Karen, but... We all stand and we all walk. None of us, however, kneel except in worship... and if you ain't worshippin'... I guess you just won't kneel! That's the impression I have always formed from witnessing such occasions. |
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| KatyA | Yesterday, 9:52 PM Post #4 |
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I really don't know,Karenjane. It isn't something I've thought about, but now that you have mentioned it, that is exactly what usually happens. I assume non-Catholics who are churchgoers kneel at some point during their own services? If not, then it could be that they simply are not sure what to do, or that they don't wish to be seen to be fully participating. If they see everyone standing up, then they automatically do likewise, so they don't "stand out". When everyone kneels they sit. Just some rambling thoughts KatyA |
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| karenjane | Yesterday, 9:54 PM Post #5 |
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I get the impression they are being arrogant. Like inside they are saying to themselves this is all Papist mumbo jumbo from Rome. No way are we kneeling for this. |
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| Rose of York | Yesterday, 9:59 PM Post #6 |
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They feel awkward, in a strange situation. Methodists can be spotted a mile off. At a Catholic service they pray, in Methodist fashion. They lean over, bowing in the sitting position. I do not think Patrick's statement about laziness and lack of discipline is true of all. I have an atheist friend who always shows respect at church funerals. He normally wears jeans on his days off work. At funerals he dresses in formal style, dark suit, white shirt and tie. He never talks inside church or chapel, When the congregation sing a hymn he stands. I have not seen him in a Catholic church, I suppose he would sit in silent respect for the congregation, while they kneel. I would attend a muslim funeral or wedding if invited, but would not carry out muslim gestures. That is not lack of respect, it just shows that although I do not pray muslim prayers, I show respect for my hosts. |
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| Rose of York | Yesterday, 10:07 PM Post #7 |
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Doubtful. If they thought that way they would not attend. Protestants who take part in Churches Together pray with Catholics, in Catholic churches. I have never been called a Papist. We get along fine with people who are not Catholics. |
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| karenjane | Yesterday, 10:08 PM Post #8 |
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Up here Rose in the West of Scotland some non catholics who I know and am friendly with for some reason will not kneel. I know its a wee passing thought but it has always miffed me. Even at my parents funerals they didn't kneel. That made me sad. Och well who knows their reasons but I have a rough idea. Karenjane ( Papist is a very slang common term here in Glasgow for a RC and meant as always to be derogatory. Edited by karenjane, Yesterday, 10:09 PM.
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| karenjane | Yesterday, 10:14 PM Post #9 |
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Yes there will be decent non Catholics who don't have thoughts like this. I am living in South Lanarkshire where bigotry runs high. But I rise above it. When I am in another church of an other faith I show my respect at all times. |
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| KatyA | Yesterday, 10:17 PM Post #10 |
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Surely they showed respect by simply turning up? If they don't share our faith, then we can no more expect them to fully participate than we would if we attend a non Catholic service. The only part of Scotland I am familiar with is the beautiful South West. I am aware that Catholicism is not popular there,but I don't think anyone called me a papist. Not that I'd mind - I am |
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| Rose of York | Yesterday, 10:18 PM Post #11 |
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karenjane I knew the meaning of the word from childhood, having learned it during history lessons about the Reformation. I have read about the prejudices still kept alive in Scotland. In England I never heard the word used one to one in conversation. Nobody called a Catholic a Papist. Honestly, I think most people who do not kneel at the consecration either have no idea what it is about, or do not believe in it. Provided they keep still and don't make a noise, so far as I am concerned they are respecting the culture of their hosts. A nun friend visited me, we went to Mass together. Later she remarked upon the number of people who received Holy Communion and sat down immediately after. The proportion was too high for disability reasons. Complete families, mother, father, children. She asked me if they were all Catholics. It is a small chapel of ease, I know all those people, and they are Catholics. Lack of respect is not restricted to people who dislike our faith. |
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| Rose of York | Yesterday, 10:19 PM Post #12 |
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Yea and proud of it. |
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| karenjane | Yesterday, 10:22 PM Post #13 |
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I know they are being respectful turning up. But It's the non kneeling I can't get my head round. Even my own relatives. Strange but I won't lose any sleep over it. |
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| Joe Valente | Yesterday, 11:04 PM Post #14 |
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"karenjane I knew the meaning of the word from childhood, having learned it during history lessons about the Reformation. I have read about the prejudices still kept alive in Scotland. In England I never heard the word used one to one in conversation. Nobody called a Catholic a Papist. (Rose) In England I have never been called a papist but I have been sneeringly referred to as a "Fish Snapper" |
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| Deacon Robert | Today, 12:21 AM Post #15 |
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Joseph, here they are "mackerel snappers". As to the question of standing , sitting, kneeling, when I visit my family in Belgium there are no kneelers so no one kneels. When I was in formation we were at a "new" church, again no kneelers. It made some of us very uncomfortable. There are two respectful positions, standing and kneeling. The latter seems odd to us but it comes down from our herbrew forefathers who stand to pray. Sitting, unless physically impeaded, ,is not considered respectful. Edited by Deacon Robert, Today, 12:23 AM.
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