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Inter Communion between Catholics and Anglicans
Topic Started: Yesterday, 11:30 AM (199 Views)
Mairtin	Yesterday, 11:30 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,130 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	A good-living, God-fearing Protestant attends a Mass, perhaps to celebrate a good friend's wedding or mourn a good friend's death, but no matter how good a practising Christian he is - perhaps a better example of Christianity than many of the attending Catholics who will receive Holy Communion - no matter even if he believes in Transubstantiation, he is barred from taking part in the Holy Eucharist established by Jesus Christ for no other reason than that he is not a Catholic. Switch the situation around to where one of us is attending a Protestant service and, despite being made welcome by our Protestant brethren to take part in their version of Holy Communion, we we are forbidden to do so by our Church on the basis of some vague concern that it might somehow reduce the importance we attach to our own Church's teaching. Do you think that Jesus would have been impressed by that sort of behaviour?
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Joe Valente	Yesterday, 2:47 PM Post #2
Posts: 390 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: April 3, 2009	"A good-living, God-fearing Protestant attends a Mass, perhaps to celebrate a good friend's wedding or mourn a good friend's death, but no matter how good a practising Christian he is - perhaps a better example of Christianity than many of the attending Catholics who will receive Holy Communion - no matter even if he believes in Transubstantiation, he is barred from taking part in the Holy Eucharist established by Jesus Christ for no other reason than that he is not a Catholic. Switch the situation around to where one of us is attending a Protestant service and, despite being made welcome by our Protestant brethren to take part in their version of Holy Communion, we we are forbidden to do so by our Church on the basis of some vague concern that it might somehow reduce the importance we attach to our own Church's teaching. Do you think that Jesus would have been impressed by that sort of behaviour? " (Mairtin) Unfortunately I do not have the ability to read the mind or the will of the Lord so I follow the Church's guidance. Therefore I believe that Jesus , whilst saddened at the divisions, agrees with this stance.
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Joseph	Yesterday, 3:04 PM Post #3
Posts: 739 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: October 18, 2006	Do you think that Jesus would have been impressed by that sort of behaviour? " (Mairtin) WTGR that is a rather silly question Mairtin, if I may say so. Jesus welcomes into His Church all who wish to believe in it's teachings, and act accordingly - where's your problem with that?
	Joseph


PJD	Yesterday, 3:14 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,416 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	"Fine words, PJD, that come across as little more than an attempt to excuse the inexcusable." I barboured no intention of excusing anything inexcusable Mairtin. The passage from V2 was provided and contributors here asked to dwell upon it. That's all. It is important however because the Holy Spirit provided it through the Council. "Do you think that Jesus would have been impressed by that sort of behaviour?" I would not be inclined to present The Lord with hypothetical behaviour - or rather a comparative status of holiness known to God alone. PJD Edited by PJD, Yesterday, 3:15 PM.



Mairtin	Yesterday, 4:21 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,130 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Before responding to any of the above, can I ask the general question of why people have stopped using the 'quote' facility built into the forum? I'm finding it increasingly hard to keep track of who said what.
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John Sweeney	Yesterday, 4:51 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	Interesting point about the quote facility Mairtin. I have very rarely used it but have not noticed any fall-off in its usage by others. Obviously it has very many practical uses not least ,as you say ,that of keeping track of who said what but I have always felt that at its worst it has a slightly bullying feature to it. Probably just me. Back on topic, I agree with your remarks about sharing Communion with others and sharing in theirs when attending non-Catholic services. In the latter case this is normally for weddings and such like and in my experience Anglican and Protestant sacramental occasions like that do not have Communion as part of them so no conflict arises. On a coupel of occasions over the years I have had cause to attend non-Catholic services and I took Communion because it was offered and it would have seemed to me a rebuff to my hosts and an affront to the Lord if I hadn't. In any case, I wanted to , as part of the occasion. Guess what, the heavens stayed in their place and the Earth continued to go round. John



Mairtin	Yesterday, 5:03 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,130 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Joe Valente Sunday, 22. November 2009, 14:47 Unfortunately I do not have the ability to read the mind or the will of the Lord so I follow the Church's guidance. Therefore I believe that Jesus , whilst saddened at the divisions, agrees with this stance. None of us can read His mind, Joe, but we can see from His own words that He had very little tolerance for those who placed man-made obstacles in the path of those trying to find their way to Him.
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Mairtin	Yesterday, 5:10 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,130 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Joseph Sunday, 22. November 2009, 15:04 Do you think that Jesus would have been impressed by that sort of behaviour? " (Mairtin) WTGR that is a rather silly question Mairtin, if I may say so. I don't mind you saying that at all, Joseph, if you would just take the trouble to explain what is actually silly about it. Joseph Jesus welcomes into His Church all who wish to believe in it's teachings, and act accordingly - where's your problem with that? I don't have any problem with that, Joseph, but that wasn't what I actually raised. What, for example, has that to do with me receiving Holy Communion when I attend an Anglican service? Or what about those Anglicans who you were praising a short while ago for being more Catholic than many Catholics, why should they be barred from the Lord's table?
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Mairtin	Yesterday, 5:12 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,130 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	PJD Sunday, 22. November 2009, 15:14 I barboured no intention of excusing anything inexcusable Mairtin. I wasn't getting at you in any way, PJD, I was criticising how those words have been used by the hierarchy to justify the sort of things I was giving examples of.
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Rose of York	Yesterday, 6:08 PM Post #10
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Miartin I don't think you need it explaining why the Catholic Church rules that we must not receive "Communion" in Anglican churches. I use inverted commas not as an insult, but because the Catholic Church teaches us that Anglican Holy Orders are not valid, therefore their priests cannot validly conscrate the bread and wine, transforming them to the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. It is not compulsory for any Catholic to receive Holy Communion more than once a year. If I had a Catholic guest in my home, and we went to Mass I would not be offended if that person did not receive, their reasons are private. To keep this on topic (I do not wish to split any more threads) if and when I have cause to attend Mass in an Anglican Use parish that is part of the Roman Catholic Church, I will behave exactly as I would in any of our churches. Meanwhile, I see no reason why I should not opt out of receiving in Church of England churches, because the motivation at Mass is to receive the Body and Blood of Christ. Hospitality is nothing to do with it.
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PJD	Yesterday, 7:13 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,416 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	"I wasn't getting at you in any way, PJD, " I understood that before you wrote it Mairtin. What I don't understand is your reference to using quotes. Is the way I normally do it a problem, or is there a better way? I suppose I am asking you how you get confused - is the way I have done it above confusing? PJD



Joe Valente	Yesterday, 7:25 PM Post #12
Posts: 390 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: April 3, 2009	Hospitality is nothing to do with it. (Rose) Exactly.
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Joe Valente	Yesterday, 7:38 PM Post #13
Posts: 390 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: April 3, 2009	"None of us can read His mind, Joe, but we can see from His own words that He had very little tolerance for those who placed man-made obstacles in the path of those trying to find their way to Him. " (Mairtin) What man made obstacles are we talking about ? The Sacrament of the Eucharist was given to the Church by Jesus. The Church has honoured that gift since it was first given. This is the Body and Blood of Christ ,the Church does not have the authority or the right to offer this gift to those who neither realise or believe in it's true value, Likewise the Church, valuing this wonderful gift, tells us not to belittle it by partaking in a parody of it. There are no man made obstacles involved just as there are no man made obstacles put in the path of any one who seeks Christ by the Catholic Church.
	What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul


Joe Valente	Yesterday, 7:48 PM Post #14
Posts: 390 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: April 3, 2009	"On a coupel of occasions over the years I have had cause to attend non-Catholic services and I took Communion because it was offered and it would have seemed to me a rebuff to my hosts and an affront to the Lord if I hadn't. In any case, I wanted to , as part of the occasion. Guess what, the heavens stayed in their place and the Earth continued to go round." And doe's that make it right, John ? On the other hand I too have attended non catholic services and did not take Communion. I did not feel that this was an affront to the Lord and took the opportunity to offer a "Spiritual Communion". Nor did I feel any less a part of the occasion. Speaking with many of the congregation afterwards, including clergy, I happily explained my position, met no hostility nor anyone who felt that I had offered any rebuff.
	What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul


pete	Yesterday, 8:11 PM Post #15
Posts: 690 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: April 2, 2007	Quote: On a couple of occasions over the years I have had cause to attend non-Catholic services and I took Communion because it was offered and it would have seemed to me a rebuff to my hosts and an affront to the Lord if I hadn't. In any case, I wanted to, as part of the occasion. Guess what, the heavens stayed in their place and the Earth continued to go round. John I wouldn�t dream of taking Communion in a non-Catholic service, in fact I know that it would be very wrong for me to do so. Until such times that we are in full communion with the Anglicans we should remain Catholic. Furthermore, it wasn�t so long ago when Anglicans denied Transubstantiation, even today this is generally the case. Next time you go to confession, I urge you to mention this to your confessor and see what he has to say. Going against what the Church teaches is a rebuff against the Church itself. I understand the Church to be the Body of Christ under the Head of the Vicar of Christ. Communion outside the Body of Christ for any Catholic has no meaning whatsoever.



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