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Italian response to Strasbourg ruling; more crucifixes in schools
Topic Started: Thursday, 12. November 2009, 19:34 (362 Views)
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A number of Italian officials have responded to the ruling by the European Human Rights Court that ordered schools in Italy to remove crucifixes from the classrooms by taking unprecedented measures to preserve the Christian symbol.

According to the Italian daily “Avvenire,” the mayor of Sezzadio, Pier Luigi Arnera, has leveled a fine of 500 euros against anyone who removes a crucifix from a public place.

Arnera explained that the displaying of the crucifix in “places other than churches does not affect the dignity of anyone, because it is one of our cultural references.”

Likewise in the cities of Sassuolo and Trapani, officials have acquired dozens more crucifixes to display them in public schools.

In Montegrotto Terme, digital billboards that normally are used to inform the public are now displaying the crucifix with the phrase, “We will not take it down.” The mayor of Assisi has ordered that Nativity scenes be displayed in addition to the crucifix in public offices.

In Varesotto a local contractor placed a 16-foot cross on his farm in order to express his indignation over the EU court ruling.
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PJD

That sort of reckless ruling unsurprisingly lead to the reaction quoted, and in the past this sort of foolishness actually started wars. The EU may have started something they cannot finish especially if it spreads throughout the other member states. And it could in a flash, as did reaction to the credit crunch and politicians expenses.

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The last time a government was ordered to remove crucixes, it refused.













































The government of Bavaria said "Nein. Herr Hitler."




And Hitler didn't push it. The crucifixes remained in place.


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Where will this anti-Christianity end?

What next? An order that the Angel of the North be given a name appropriate to an inclusive society?

For the benefit of our USA members, this link will explain about The Angel of the North.

http://www.angelofthenorth.org.uk/
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My dear friends.

Italians will deal with this 'law' in the way they have always dealt with such matters.

One need have no fear.

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Thursday, 12. November 2009, 23:14
My dear friends.

Italians will deal with this 'law' in the way they have always dealt with such matters.

One need have no fear.


CARLO

Could it spread to other countries?
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Thursday, 12. November 2009, 23:32
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Thursday, 12. November 2009, 23:14
My dear friends.

Italians will deal with this 'law' in the way they have always dealt with such matters.

One need have no fear.


CARLO

Could it spread to other countries?
The 'Italian way' of dealing with such nonsense is well understood in European countries such as Spain, France and Greece but sadly not in countries where rules and regulations are taken far more seriously e.g. Germany and Britain!


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JRJ

Thanks for the link about the Angel of the North, Rose.
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Thursday, 12. November 2009, 23:14
Italians will deal with this 'law' in the way they have always dealt with such matters.
One need have no fear.
If they've any sense, they'll realise that the Mafia now has a GOOD job to do.
I always thought there ought to be some good reason for its existence! :rofl:
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The 'croce nostra' wing of 'cosa nostra?
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Colin2000

Hi All,

In my opinion it is not time to jettison Crucifix's whether it offends some of their dignity and freedom of speech or not but rather to jettison The Court of Human Rights and certain EU Laws which are an affront to Freedom of speech and PC gone mad!

Either live and let live or discriminate against all!

But isn't Jesus wonderful, He says love thine enemy. He can be a proper spoil sport on this one you know!

Colin.
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I have written about this ruling in this weeks Catholic Herald see
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/opinion/o0000335.shtml

you can also read

http://religionlaw.blogspot.com/2009/11/italian-crucifix-case.html
http://religionlaw.blogspot.com/2009/11/lautsi-europes-dredd-scott-case.html

And if you don't believe me then see what the Greek Orthodox Church thinks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8358027.stm

This is a very important case with serious implications not just for Italy

Edited by ReligionLaw, Saturday, 14. November 2009, 01:48.
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Welcome to the forum, Neil.

The ending of your article shook me.

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Whatever individuals may feel about the display of crucifixes, or indeed any other religious symbol, surely the decision to remove them or keep them should be made by democratic discussion and debate rather than by legal dictat. The ECHR decision in the Lautsi case is a complete perversion of the concept of human rights and subjects an entire country to the tyranny of the minority.

We will have to see whether the ECHR may overrule itself on an appeal but in the meantime as a (Muslim) colleague said to me regarding this case: "Human rights seem to be increasingly used to end human rights."

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Welcome to the forum, Neil.

The ending of your article shook me.

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Whatever individuals may feel about the display of crucifixes, or indeed any other religious symbol, surely the decision to remove them or keep them should be made by democratic discussion and debate rather than by legal dictat. The ECHR decision in the Lautsi case is a complete perversion of the concept of human rights and subjects an entire country to the tyranny of the minority.

We will have to see whether the ECHR may overrule itself on an appeal but in the meantime as a (Muslim) colleague said to me regarding this case: "Human rights seem to be increasingly used to end human rights."

Good to see you've found your way here, Neil. :welwag:
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Archbishop Juan Jose Asenjo of Sevilla has also spoken out about this ruling

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Madrid, Spain, Nov 14, 2009 / 02:55 am (CNA).- Archbishop Juan Jose Asenjo of Sevilla in Spain said this week the crucifix is “the sign and emblem of the greatest values: commitment, solidarity, piety, mercy and universal brotherhood.” His comments came in the wake of a ruling by the EU Human Rights Court ordering crucifixes to be removed from all classrooms in Italy.

In an interview given to the COPE Radio Network, the archbishop said the ruling “denies the right of parents who want crucifixes to remain in the classroom.”

“Yesterday we read that 84% of Italians want to keep them, and the right to religious freedom of a majority is being denied, and the Christians roots of Europe are being forgotten,” he said.
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Is my understanding of this correct : One woman objected to the presence of crucifixes in classrooms and therefore now they are banned throughout Europe??
Something wrong surely
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