High Court acton re church closure

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High Court acton re church closure
Topic Started: Saturday, 22. August 2009, 19:34 (84 Views)
Mairtin	Monday, 2. November 2009, 18:49 Post #16
Posts: 1,156 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Joseph Monday, 2. November 2009, 16:49 Why the underlining then? If a non-Catholic group cannot solve an issue with a Catholic bishop, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them taking the bishop to court. If a Catholic group had an issue with a non-Catholic bishop, then I wouldn't be surprised to see them taking the bishop to court. If a Catholic group has an issue with a Catholic bishop, then I think it should be sorted out within the Catholic Church, not in a secular court. Do you have a problem with that?
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Mairtin	Monday, 2. November 2009, 18:56 Post #17
Posts: 1,156 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Rose of York Monday, 2. November 2009, 18:19 If the parishioners feel the closure is unjustified, and going through the proper channels has failed, how else can they settle the dispute? They apply for a judge in the civil court to make a ruling in accordance with English law. It is not as though they are accusing the bishop of criminal activity, They will be suing the Diocesan Trust, not the bishop. I don't know enough about it to say how it should be settled and I don't care whether it is the Diocesan Trust rather than the bishop, I just think it is totally out of order - and possibly very dangerous in giving civil authorities an entrée into our internal affairs - for any Catholic group to be taking action against any part of the Church in a secular court. Do we really want civil courts deciding how we run our parishes?
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Gerard	Monday, 2. November 2009, 18:57 Post #18
Posts: 3,125 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Quote: If a Catholic group has an issue with a Catholic bishop, then I think it should be sorted out within the Catholic Church, not in a secular court. As, indeed, does God: Quote: 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers! The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Gerry Edited by Gerard, Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:09.
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SeanJ	Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:17 Post #19
Moderator Posts: 880 Group: Moderator Member #208 Joined: September 26, 2008	Gerry, You beat me to it. See also: Quote: Mt. 5. 22:24 But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, 'Raqa,' will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, 'You fool,' will be liable to fiery Gehenna. Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Mt. 18. 15:17 "If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Edited by SeanJ, Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:17.



PJD	Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:27 Post #20
Posts: 2,423 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	Oh yes - very well put by those above! PJD



Mairtin	Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:31 Post #21
Posts: 1,156 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: August 16, 2008	Gerard Monday, 2. November 2009, 18:57 Quote: 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 ... But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers! ... For Joseph's benefit, that is precisely what I was trying to bring out with my original underlining. Edited by Mairtin, Monday, 2. November 2009, 19:32.
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