The Sacrament of Confirmation

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The Sacrament of Confirmation
Topic Started: Wednesday, 27. September 2006, 22:23 (846 Views)
Rose of York	Wednesday, 27. September 2006, 22:23 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Lets discuss the Sacraments. I am opening a thread for each one.
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Rose of York	Thursday, 28. September 2006, 18:28 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Nobody interested? Come on folks. This is (in my opinion) the Sacrament that confuses. An unbaptised convert is baptised in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. A few minutes later the priest confirms him and says "Receive the Holy Spirit". I know a convert who had been baptised as a baby, so no baptism was needed at Reception into the Church. The parish priest received her privately (pre RCIA) with family and a few friends present, followed by Mass open to the parish. The priest wanted to confirm her during a Sunday Mass. The convert was recovering from a long period of clinical depression and was frightened of standing out in front of a crowd. The priest insisted, the confirmation must be public. He said it could be delayed until the bishop came. Unfortunately, only the school pupils were offered Confirmation preparation, nobody bothered about the convert. Many years later the lady is unconfirmed. She now says she made her promises at her reception and sees no reason for confirmation. All this happened pre RCIA.
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Patrick	Thursday, 28. September 2006, 19:11 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	Quote: The sacrament of confirmation completes the sacrament of baptism. If baptism is the sacrament of rebirth to a new and supernatural life, confirmation is the sacrament of maturity and coming of age. The real confession of Christ consist in this 'that the whole man submits himself to Truth, in the judgment of his understanding, in the submission of his will and in the consecration of his whole power of love . . . To do this, poor-spirited man is only able when he has been confirmed by God's grace' This confirmation in the power of the Holy Spirit leading to a firm profession of faith has always been the particular effect which Catholic tradition has ascribed to the sacrament. It is effect which complements and completes that of baptism. THE CHURCH TEACHES: Confirmation is a true sacrament instituted by Christ and different from baptism. It is administered by laying-on of hands and anointing with chrism accompanied by prayer. The chrism is blessed by the bishop and the bishop administers the sacrament. All baptized persons can and should be confirmed. The effect of the sacrament of confirmation is to give strength in faith and for the confession of faith and to impress an indelible character. http://www.catholic.org/clife/prayers/sacrament.php?id=3



Derekap	Thursday, 28. September 2006, 20:23 Post #4
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	The Armenian Apostolic Church (Orthodox) and I think some Catholic Eastern Rites give Confirmation immediately after Baptism of the infant. DerekAp
	Derekap


Deacon Robert	Friday, 29. September 2006, 11:42 Post #5
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	The Eastern Rite Churches in communion with Rome, and Othodox Churches, give all three Sacraments of initiation at the same time. It is called Chrismation. There is also some discussion in the Latin Rite church about returning the order of Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist. The argument is that the Eucharist, which is the highest point of our worship, is being received by someone who is not fully confirmed in the faith.
	Dcn Robert


Josephine	Friday, 29. September 2006, 12:03 Post #6
Posts: 308 Group: Members Member #25 Joined: September 27, 2006	Is it true that if you have not received Confirmation, then you cannot receive any of the other sacraments eg matrimony, etc? Josephine



nelly k	Sunday, 29. April 2007, 21:28 Post #7
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	My youngest was Confirmed today, and it was a realy special event ... I was glad that I had asked questions on here so was more knowledgable than I would have been ... I think I understood the Scarement so much better... and I do belive my youngest did... so thank to all nelly



KatyA	Sunday, 29. April 2007, 21:34 Post #8
Administrator Posts: 5,393 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	nelly k Apr 29 2007, 10:28 PM Not sure if I should have made a new post for this My youngest was Confirmed today, and it was a really special event ... I was glad that I had asked questions on here so was more knowledgeable than I would have been ... I think I understood the Scarament so much better... and I do believe my youngest did... so thank to all nelly Congratulations to your youngest, Nelly. I hope you all enjoyed a big celebration. KatyA



nelly k	Sunday, 29. April 2007, 21:45 Post #9
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	Gerry , can I just say you would have really appreciated my daughters and her peers Confirmation Mass, I think allt he adults did... and language does go to the heart of it... Iam sure many Adults learn`t the meaning of this Sacrament today. nelly



Joseph	Sunday, 29. April 2007, 22:41 Post #10
Posts: 738 Group: Members Member #37 Joined: October 18, 2006	nelly k Apr 29 2007, 10:45 PM ... Iam sure many Adults learn`t the meaning of this Sacrament today. nelly You are probably right Nelly, but what a terrible reflection that gives on our local Church over the past two generations.
	Joseph


Alan	Sunday, 29. April 2007, 23:52 Post #11
Posts: 685 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: September 26, 2006	nelly k Apr 29 2007, 09:28 PM My youngest was Confirmed today, and it was a realy special event Nelly, Congratulations to your daughter on her Confirmation. I am delighted that you all enjoyed and learnt from the Confirmation Mass. Equally I hope that you and your family had time to celebrate the great occasion.
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nelly k	Monday, 30. April 2007, 08:23 Post #12
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	Idid a long post last night but my commputor crashed before I got the post on so I will try agian Joseph, going by your posts Idont think you would have felt comfortable with our Confirmation Mass , the language was uncomlicated and personel, as for what was instucted in the past two decades, I think you can go further back as elderly/older relatives commented," things have changed no longer a slap on the cheek from the Bishop" Thanks to all those for there best wishes, I wish you were all at Mass with us :D nelly



Gerard	Monday, 30. April 2007, 15:42 Post #13
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	nelly k Apr 29 2007, 09:45 PM Gerry , can I just say you would have really appreciated my daughters and her peers Confirmation Mass, I think allt he adults did... and language does go to the heart of it... Iam sure many Adults learn`t the meaning of this Sacrament today. nelly Nelly, Congratulations to your daughter and her peers. And congratulations to you for getting your daughter to choose confirmation. Christianity is caught not taught and its usually the parents its caught from. I have many friends whose children do not choose confirmation. I am pleased the language was simple. It does sound as though I would have enjoyed it. Actually I may have been there in spirit. We attended a confirmation yesterday also. So in a spiritual sense our celebrations were joined. Gerry
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


Gerard	Monday, 30. April 2007, 15:49 Post #14
Posts: 3,099 Group: Members Member #12 Joined: September 26, 2006	Joseph Apr 29 2007, 10:41 PM nelly k Apr 29 2007, 10:45 PM ... Iam sure many Adults learn`t the meaning of this Sacrament today. nelly You are probably right Nelly, but what a terrible reflection that gives on our local Church over the past two generations. Joseph, Not just the past two generations but many many generations. In her opening post Rose said: Quote: This is (in my opinion) the Sacrament that confuses. I agree with Rose and I actually think The Church Herself is confused about this sacrament. Two generations ago I was confirmed at a time when the emphasis was on becoming a soldier of Christ and the laying on of hands involved the bishop slapping us across the face. Beat that for confused (no pun intended). Gerry
	"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).


nelly k	Monday, 30. April 2007, 15:52 Post #15
Posts: 549 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: November 1, 2006	Gerry there was moments during the instruction period that my youngest wondered why she had to go to Confirmation teaching/instuction and not stay in class and paint or have a shorter break, there is a mix in her class so not all doing the Confirmation prep... I explained to her that she has her whole life to paint to play , but not to miss this chance of Confirmation... it was very Holy Spirit centered and now they had the Holy spirit to help them, Its a funny old world Gerry ... maybe you and otheres were there, the fact that you were at Confirmations yesterday as well hmmm, :) nelly



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