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SSPX Talks Begin; - according to Zenit.
Topic Started: Friday, 16. October 2009, 21:52 (2,340 Views)
Joseph

Talks Begin With Pius X Society

Vatican Announces Monday Meeting

VATICAN CITY, OCT. 15, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The first round of talks between the Society of St. Pius X and the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei will take place next week, a Vatican spokesman said.

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, revealed today in a brief statement that the meeting will take place Monday, Oct. 26.

Father Lombardi said the content of the meeting "will be strictly reserved," but that a communiqué will be published at its conclusion.

Link: http://www.zenit.org/article-27223?l=english
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A spokesman for the sect, a Bishop Fellay, is reported as sayingthat the forthcoming doctrinal talks with the Vatican could be lengthy because his society wants to "expand the agenda beyond their known objections to the Second Vatican Council reforms such as religious liberty, ecumenism and collegiality". He thinks the talks should include "the influence of modern philosophy, liturgical novelties, the spirit of the world and it influence on the modern thinking that holds sway in the Church".

I don't know much about this mob but you can't fault them for brass neck.

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Friday, 16. October 2009, 22:13
I don't know much about this mob but you can't fault them for brass neck.
John don't ask me why, I don't know myself why those words made me crack out laughing. Possibly because SSPX are so terribly, terribly formal in their ways, the chances are they wouldn't understand "brass neck".
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Sorry Rose I should have said "neckius brassicus"


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I don't know much about this mob
Google for "Archbishop Lefevbre"
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Friday, 16. October 2009, 22:20
... Possibly because SSPX are so terribly, terribly formal in their ways, the chances are they wouldn't understand "brass neck".
Prejudice again, Rose! And you should know better by now! :nono:
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Not prejudice Clare, plain commonsense reaction based on their (SSPX's) own statements and propaganda!
Edited by Derekap, Saturday, 17. October 2009, 11:53.
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I have to say that we do need to be careful of our characterizations of those who attend SSPX parishes. (I have not and would not attend SSPX liturgies.) Let us remember the SSPX is not only the original breakaway Bishop and the clergy who have followed. The SSPX includes our fellow Catholics, real people with real concerns. It seems to me we generally give kinder treatment to protestants, and this is an error. We're open to and nice to those in the Church who are on what is usually called the "liberal" side of things - those who think the pre-Second Vatican Council Church was somehow not part of the post-V2 Church. So if we can be accepting of those who take issue with dogma and doctrine in the "liberal" way, we can be polite to SSPX Catholics. Every soul matters and should not be dismissed. Perhaps we can be very specific when we take issue with the teaching of SSPX clergy so that there is not the appearance that we don't want or care about our brothers and sisters.
Edited by JRJ, Saturday, 17. October 2009, 15:01.
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Friday, 16. October 2009, 22:20
... Possibly because SSPX are so terribly, terribly formal in their ways, the chances are they wouldn't understand "brass neck".
Prejudice again, Rose! And you should know better by now! :nono:
Clare it was only intended to be good-natured humour. None can deny that SSPX liturgies are very formal.

When I talk about the society, I don't include the attendees, because I am aware they are not members.
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It seems to me we generally give kinder treatment to protestants, and this is an error. We're open to and nice to those in the Church who are on what is usually called the "liberal" side of things - those who think the pre-Second Vatican Council Church was somehow not part of the post-V2 Church. So if we can be accepting of those who take issue with dogma and doctrine in the "liberal" way, we can be polite to SSPX Catholics.

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Who is the Curia kinder to, Liberation Theologists or the SSPX ?

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Saturday, 17. October 2009, 11:51
Not prejudice Clare, plain commonsense reaction based on their (SSPX's) own statements and propaganda!
Not based on any actual encounters with them and seeing how formal they actually are in person.

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I mean, based on Vatican pronouncements, I guess all bishops and priests are "terribly terribly formal" as well.

For goodness' sake. I've met 3 of their bishops, and a good many of their priests, and I am pretty sure that all of the English ones would know what "brass-necked" means!
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... Possibly because SSPX are so terribly, terribly formal in their ways, the chances are they wouldn't understand "brass neck".
Prejudice again, Rose! And you should know better by now! :nono:
Clare it was only intended to be good-natured humour. None can deny that SSPX liturgies are very formal.
As are FSSP and ICKSP and other "Extraordinary Form" liturgies. As were all Catholic liturgies until 1970.

That doesn't make all such Catholics so "terribly terribly formal" that they would not understand the term "brass necked"!

So there!

(Erm, what does it mean??) :jester:
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My guess is that it will drag on inconclusively for years, and fall apart in the next pontificate. Every positive-sounding leak and rumour will be greeted with shrieks of "betrayal" from both the liberals and the activist SSPX faithful. Any settlement in the foreseeable future will split the Society.

Bishop Fellay opined at the beginning of the process, a couple of years ago, that what is required is "many scholastic doctors", which put me in mind of nothing so much as sorcerer's apprentice brooms. I don't think "scholastic doctors" are the solution to anything whatsoever.
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"I don't think "scholastic doctors" "

Even if they were available O'Ratty; what makes you think they would play ball with the SSPX?

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