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| What is "Prophecy" ? | |
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| Topic Started: Friday, 18. September 2009, 09:55 (739 Views) | |
| CARLO | Sunday, 20. September 2009, 20:42 Post #31 |
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This thread reminds me of a chap who commenced a similar debate in another Catholic forum some years ago. Quite early into the debate he revealed that he considered himself a prophet, had been the recipient of various divine revelations and quite simply could not be questioned or challenged on the subject - having received his knowledge straight from the 'big man' you understand? Shortly afterwards I lost all interest in the subject. Miserere nobis Have mercy on us CARLO Edited by CARLO, Sunday, 20. September 2009, 20:42.
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| Gerard | Sunday, 20. September 2009, 21:24 Post #32 |
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Carlo, You were Baptised priest, prophet and king. St Paul urges you to desire the gift of prophecy (he thinks its the highest charism) Scripture says "I wish you were all able to prophesy" (1 Cor 14:5) And the official prayer of the Church prays "You called us to be prophets in Christ:........" (2nd post this thread). And you let "a chap" cause you to lose all interest? Miserere nobis Indeed. Gerry |
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| James | Sunday, 20. September 2009, 21:43 Post #33 |
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An interesting few lines from a book by Peter Ackroyd 1959 "The peoples of the Old testament" Although still applicable in the New. " It was characteristic of the prophets to believe that the events of their lives might be full of meaning, and might make plain to them what God was saying to them. They saw God at work not only in the great events of history but also in everyday things. Amos saw a basket full of ripe fruit one day and, while to everyone around him it was just a basket of ripe fruit, to Amos it suddenly gave a word from God" |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 20. September 2009, 21:49 Post #34 |
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Agreed James, And Amos is a perfect prophet for the situation in the West today. Its a short book! Gerry |
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| James | Tuesday, 22. September 2009, 17:58 Post #35 |
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So, can we say that prophecy is "insight ?". Religion or lack of it is not really material. If the soul is from God , then by nature it will prophesy. Religious people will direct it as from God and back to God . Non believers will not see it that way. One person may detect a great musical talent in a young person - the ability to "see" by whatever means - but not foretelling the future. Another may detect destruction of that talent by the company the young person is keeping and the lifestyle - a foretelling of things to come. I think the old prophets were like that in relation to the people of Israel and Judah. They saw the real "soul" of the land and the "soul" of the people in the ways of the One God. But the people lived a different lifestyle amongst people of many Gods . The God of Moses was being lost in new ways of thinking and acting. The prophets saw the importance of the tradition - the music, the belief, the ways, -the very soul from the belief in the One God. It was being lost and that insight was of great prophesies. Seeing prophecy in that light, as an insight of soul - a talent - then it is also part of us today. - I would say. Edited by James, Thursday, 24. September 2009, 11:52.
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 22. September 2009, 20:55 Post #36 |
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James, I agree with most of that. And I would say that: The insight needs to be spoken out to others. It seems more like prophecy to me if the insight is God given, either by an inbred sense of justice or love. or from a knowlege of Scripture, or from a word or inspiration in prayer. Thinking about these things gives insight into how the OT prophets must have operated and then how to recognise prophets today - its all linked. Gerry |
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| James | Thursday, 24. September 2009, 11:39 Post #37 |
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Strange though in the case of John the Baptist, as mentioned earlier. Many see him as the last great prophet foretelling the coming of the christ and bowing out, as it were, afterwards. But if you read carefully this is not so. He said the kingdom was at hand and could easily have meant that "by baptism and repentance the kingdom is at hand.". He did not make any claims for himself and he also knew of a messiah foretold from old. You see the problem here is that when John was in prison he sent messengers to Jesus questioning " Are you the one who is to come or do we expect some other?" So, at that time ,he did not actually see Jesus as the messiah, even if they may have known each other. He was asking a question. This puts in doubt the words allegedly spoken at the Baptism of Jesus. Agree a turning point, as one pointed the way and the other claimed - but there is a subtle difference on the prophecy angle !! Edited by James, Thursday, 24. September 2009, 15:03.
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| Richard Hannay. | Sunday, 4. October 2009, 16:02 Post #38 |
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The Didache Chapter 13. Support of Prophets But every true prophet that wills to abide among you is worthy of his support. So also a true teacher is himself worthy, as the workman, of his support. Matthew 10:10; cf. Luke 10:7 every first-fruit, therefore, of the products of wine-press and threshing-floor, of oxen and of sheep, you shall take and give to the prophets, for they are your high priests. But if you have not a prophet, give it to the poor. If you make a batch of dough, take the first-fruit and give according to the commandment. So also when you open a jar of wine or of oil, take the first-fruit and give it to the prophets; and of money (silver) and clothing and every possession, take the first-fruit, as it may seem good to you, and give according to the commandment. |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 4. October 2009, 21:08 Post #39 |
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Well well tis not so! I was just warning that some chaps who are into prophecy are also very much into themselves and their own personal experiences or delusions! Present company excepted of course! For me a prophet is a rather aged holy man with a stick and a long beard making utterances of great weight concerning the future. Somebody like Isiah! Modern prophets very often turn out to be charlatans whatever the Scriptures may suggest. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Ned | Sunday, 4. October 2009, 22:44 Post #40 |
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Alas, Carlo, it was ever the same. As I read the OT, there were lots of false prophets about. For example have a look at Jeremiah chapter 23; verse 33 will give you a taste - “When one of this people, or a prophet or a priest asks you, ‘What is the burden of the Lord?’ you shall say to them, ‘You are the burden, and I will cast you off, declares the Lord.’ The danger from false prophets is one of those themes that runs right through the Bible - from the first false prophet, the serpent who lied to Eve, to the false prophet of Revelations. Regards Ned |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 4. October 2009, 22:51 Post #41 |
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Well said Ned! Pax tecum Peace be with thee CARLO |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 1. February 2012, 01:46 Post #42 |
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http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=19753
More than a bit scary, isn't it? And, I think, prophetic. |
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| Anne-Marie | Wednesday, 1. February 2012, 12:09 Post #43 |
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Whether you and I like it or not... THAT is some sermon. We could sure do with a whole lot more where that came from - well done, Canon Browne. |
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| Gerard | Wednesday, 1. February 2012, 19:58 Post #44 |
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A prophet is someone who speaks God's word into the present. Canon Browne did just that. Gerry |
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| paul | Thursday, 2. February 2012, 16:28 Post #45 |
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Prophecy is not to be confused with clarvoyance, second sight etc. Many people have the gift of second sight etc., but this phenomena is only associated with the secular and not spiritual Christianity. Let me elucidate further, when you see psychics on the tv they have the gift of communicating with the spirit world and are able to converse with them. The usual outcome is trivia, eg. do you remember falling over in the park etc.. Spiritual questions are not asked by the psychic and would I feel be ignored for "it is not for us to know such matters" Prophecy however, is Divinely inspired and relates to God and his message for the prophet to proclaim. |
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