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| Tony Blair & religion;; former PM's views & comments | |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 28. March 2008, 14:54 Post #106 |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 28. March 2008, 14:56 Post #107 |
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Am I correct in thinking the Catholics of England and Wales (and donors from other countries) donated money for the erection and upkeep of our mother Cathedral, on the understanding that it would be solely a place of worship, and a fitting home for the Blessed Sacrament? |
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| william of bow | Friday, 28. March 2008, 18:13 Post #108 |
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Indeed Rose, "the pennies of the poor". Can't say that I support this little piece of publicity by the "Stop the War" Coalition (aka Socialist Workers Party and fellow travellers). What is worse and more blasphemous? Tony Blair pontificating in the Cathedral about 'his' values? Or a bunch of loud (mouthed), Trotskyite "Stop the War" protesters? What I do find worrying is Robin Best saying this:
This is pretty close to blaming the Catholic Church for the Iraq war. This I don't like but would be par for the course for the rabid atheists and seculars who support such causes.
Wistful thinking on behalf of the STC. Last time I looked, the recent demo called by the SWC in central London attracted a few hundred. William |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 28. March 2008, 18:22 Post #109 |
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The Catholic Church will get the flak, although Blair was not a Catholic when he was PM. |
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| PJD | Friday, 28. March 2008, 20:25 Post #110 |
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"The Catholic Church will get the flak, although Blair was not a Catholic when he was PM." Quite Rose. But not everyone necessarily thinks logically, or indeed fairly. PJD |
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| sumermamma | Friday, 28. March 2008, 21:51 Post #111 |
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William of Bow, The Catholic Church and the Jews get blamed for just about everything. Nothing changes. sm |
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| Fortunatus | Friday, 28. March 2008, 22:55 Post #112 |
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william -- my experience tells me that it is always advisable to knock at least one and more likely two zeroes off any figure given by the SWP and their "useful idiots". So tens is more likely than hundreds, just as the figure of "up to one million Iraqis" is about on a par with "up to 8meg" for a download speed! I don't have any more of a problem with Blair speaking in Westminster Cathedral than I've had with anything else he's done in the last decade but I wonder when the craze for holding meetings in churches started. It seems to me to be disrespectful of He whose House it is to bring secular matters into the place. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 28. March 2008, 23:34 Post #113 |
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Presumably Jesus gets kicked out for the duration. Not good. |
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| william of bow | Saturday, 29. March 2008, 10:06 Post #114 |
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Vaughan House, which is a conference centre would be appropriate. But it doesn't have a large capacity. The Cardinal hopes to 'make a killing' with Blair's lecture and the Cathedral can take a couple of thousand with no problem. I will not rehash all the 'issues' involved for some Catholics and the "Blair Conversion". But is it too much to hope that Tony might deliver a more thoughtful and nuanced message concerning globalisation. My fear is it will be a very 'gung ho' shout out for the Pepsi Cola culture - how wonderful is the multi national global village. William |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 4. April 2008, 13:19 Post #115 |
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The demonstration took place. Media reports say a few hundred, not the anticipated thousands, took part. The demonstration was not mentioned on BBC 1's late night news, so it appears that it had little impact. The full transcript of the lecture will be available shortly. I propose starting a new thread so we can discuss it. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 4. April 2008, 13:37 Post #116 |
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The Cardinal's Lecture, 3rd April 2008. Speaker Anthony Blair Here is the introduction. For the full lecture please click on the link. Link
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| Rose of York | Friday, 4. April 2008, 22:06 Post #117 |
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I am impressed!
The days have gone when protestants lived here, Catholics there, muslims somewhere else, Buddhists in the Far East. Until people of all faiths and none learn to live side by side, and respect each others' culture, there will be no prospect of peace anywhere in the world. Let us pray that we live to see the day when there will be no bombings and maimings in the name of God. one step forward would be an end to tit-for-tat retaliations. There has been violence and hatred between Christian denominations, let alone nominal Christians and muslims. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 4. April 2008, 22:15 Post #118 |
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The speech is available on video, click this link please. http://www.rcdow.org.uk/lectures/ |
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| william of bow | Sunday, 6. April 2008, 20:13 Post #119 |
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It was a politicians speech delivered by a consumate politician. Whatever else it might be it was most emphatically not a speech about the Catholic faith by a Catholic. He cited two authors - Karen Armstrong, a heretic, and Stephen Dawkins, an atheist whom he claimed to have influenced his thinking. He ought to have cited the third, more important author and influencer of Blairs rather flakey ideas - Hans Kung. Kung virtually manufactured and marketed the rather silly idea of this "Universalist" so called world religion which is current flavour of the month with the United Nations and with Blair. The Holy Fathers most important book on this same topic of Interfaith dialogue - Truth & Tolerance might as well never have been written. It was typical liberal nonsense - lets all be nice to each other. He very cleverly evaded all the difficult issues especially the one of fundamentalist, Jihadist Islam and how the world faiths ought to respond to that. Had I paid good money to hear this performance I think I would have been rather disappointed. Any response from good Catholics? Or even a Bishop or two? William |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 6. April 2008, 20:42 Post #120 |
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Thank you so much Rose for posting the link to the speech. When I get time to watch the recording I will comment. I hope this will be soon. Pax CARLO |
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