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Tony Blair & religion;; former PM's views & comments
Topic Started: Sunday, 24. June 2007, 17:35 (1,206 Views)
DeniseLawson
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Clare
Dec 23 2007, 09:23 PM
DeniseLawson
Dec 23 2007, 09:05 PM
Clare
Dec 23 2007, 08:57 PM
Was he baptised when he was received into the Church?

Given that conditional baptism is no longer routine when someone is received from a denomination, chances are his original baptism still stands.

I presume he was baptised as an Anglican in the first place.

That's what I was wondering. And I suspect he was baptized in the Anglican Church at some point. If he was, it would have definitely been a trinitarian baptism, therefore no need for the RCC to baptize him.

Not necessarily. Even if the Trinitarian formula is used, water still has to be poured, by the same person, at the same time, for validity.

I've heard of Anglican baptisms where the water is dabbed with cotton wool. Trinitiarian formula or not, dabbing with cotton wool is not valid.

Well, I certainly can't speak for what happens in the Anglican churches in England, but in all the ones in the US I've been in, they have always performed valid baptisms. I would certainly hope the situation you describe happens very rarely, if at all, but after some stunts I've seen "Christians" pull in the name of God, regardless of denomination, very little surprises me.
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When I was baptised in the Anglican Church as an infant (here in the USA), water was poured over my head. I slept right through it. When I was received into the Roman Catholic Church, my baptism was recognised and not repeated. I assume Mr. Blair's was also done in this way.
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It is well known that Tony Blair used to be a communicant member of the Church of England. When he first became prime minister, he used to attend "High Church" Anglican services, attended Mass in Westminster Cathedral with his wife and family.

I don't know what the fuss is about. A former Prime Minister has become a Catholic, he has joined the faith that has the highest attendance in the UK. Who's next? Prince Philip? :D
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DeniseLawson
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Rose of York
Dec 24 2007, 03:03 PM
It is well known that Tony Blair used to be a communicant member of the Church of England. When he first became prime minister, he used to attend "High Church" Anglican services, attended Mass in Westminster Cathedral with his wife and family.

I don't know what the fuss is about. A former Prime Minister has become a Catholic, he has joined the faith that has the highest attendance in the UK. Who's next? Prince Philip? :D

He might be, especially if he is the royal who is currently dating a Catholic.
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Denise, Prince Philip is the Queen's husband. The Act of Settlement, forbidding to monarch to be a Catholic or marry a Catholic, has still not been repealed. I think it may be, in the next few years.

Prince Philip dating a Catholic? He has been married, apparently happily, for sixty years. I think his wife would have something to say if he dated anybody. :D
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This old discussion might help the members from America see why there is such media coverage of a former Prime Minister becoming a Catholic.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Catholic_Cyber...p?showtopic=945
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Rose of York
Dec 24 2007, 03:09 PM
The Act of Settlement, forbidding to monarch to be a Catholic or marry a Catholic, has still not been repealed.

What happens if the Queen marries a non-Catholic, and then he only goes and converts?!

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Dec 24 2007, 03:09 PM
Denise, Prince Philip is the Queen's husband.  The Act of Settlement, forbidding to monarch to be a Catholic or marry a Catholic, has still not been repealed.  I think it may be, in the next few years.

Prince Philip dating a Catholic?  He has been married, apparently happily, for sixty years.  I think his wife would have something to say if he dated anybody.  :D

LOL...Obviously I don't know who is who much beyond Queen Elizabeth.

I do remember hearing somewhere, though, that one of the potential heirs to the thrown was dating a Catholic, there was talk that he might convert because his girl was Catholic, and if he did, it would remove his chances of ever being the king because of the Act of Settlement unless that act was repealed. That's who I was thinking of, but no earthly idea who it was...just that he was somewhere down the line further than Wills and Harry.
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Denise, before I answer you I will give you a brief Who's Who:

King George V who died in 1936m had one daughter and four sons. The eldest son inherited the crown (in other words became king). A year later he had to choose between abication and marrying a divorcee. He chose to abdicate. The second son became King George VI, father of our present Queen Elizabeth. The other sons were the Duke of Gloucester and the Duke of Kent.

The Duke of Kent was killed in World War II. His son them became Duke of Kent. His married, and later his wife converted to Catholicism. He did not have to give up his place in the line of succession. You see, he did not marry a Catholic. She converted AFTER the marriage. However his brother got engaged to a Catholic, so before marrying he had to give up his place in the line of succession. My personal suspicion is that there were concerns that if the Act of Settlement had been repealed during the terrorist troubles in Northern Ireland (part of the UK) the situation would have escalated. Also (personal opinion again) I think the British public would be very angry if Prince William married a Catholic and had to give up his position as eventual heir to the throne. Don't forget, the current heir is married to a divorcee. They didn't make him step down.

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Link - just for fun

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Pope converts to New Labour
Pope Benedict XVI has sent shockwaves throughout the Catholic Church by announcing his conversion to the faith of New Labour.

A Vatican spokesman announced ‘His holiness had been grappling with this for some time, and few will surprised by the announcement that he is ready to join a modern, electable Labour Party.’ During a private audience with the spiritual head of New Labour, the Pope joined Tony Blair for an in-depth discussion about the private and public sectors working together in a partnership for enterprise. The Pope was particularly attracted by Tony Blair’s assertion that they would be ‘Tough on sin, and tough on the causes of sin.’

Despite criticism that New Labour is a shady religious cult with a discredited and increasingly wealthy leader, the Pope was said to be convinced by the concept of the infallibility of Tony Blair. But others were more sceptical; ‘There are those who might think that the Pope’s childhood membership of the Hitler Youth would make him unacceptable to New Labour’, said Tony Benn, ‘But then everyone is more left wing when they are young.’
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That article is hilarious! Good to see someone has a sense of humor...

Rose - thanks for the royal rundown.
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Did he join in the hope of discreet contributions from Dr Abrahams?
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Another thing we can be grateful about Blair's conversion. Now he is a Catholic he can never be King of England :rolleyes:
Truth is still the truth even if no one believes it. Error is still error even if everyone believes it.
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Dec 26 2007, 04:20 AM
Another thing we can be grateful about Blair's conversion. Now he is a Catholic he can never be King of England  :rolleyes:

Which royal lady were you planning on marrying him to? :unsure:
The root problem in a lot of bad catechesis is ultimately not ignorance, but pride. ~ Mark Shea

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A man born to be King need not marry a Royal Lady in order to be King. A man cannot become King by marrying. The Queen's husband is her consort, not a King. A woman, royal or not, who marries to a man destined to be king, becomes Royal upon her marriage. When he becomes King she becomes his Queen. Don't ask me to explain the logic. I suspect it is something to do with the superiority of women.

A woman born to be a Sovereign Queen (ie Head of State) is born royal.

So, Tony Blair can not be King. I can see him trying to be Emperor of Europe.

:D
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