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| Tony Blair & religion;; former PM's views & comments | |
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| Topic Started: Sunday, 24. June 2007, 17:35 (1,207 Views) | |
| Timothy | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 18:07 Post #61 |
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Well I doubt very much that any of you would be vocal in being critical of an individual named person. |
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"An adult faith does not follow the waves of fashion and the latest novelty." "Having a clear faith, according to the credo of the church, is often labelled as fundamentalism." Pope Benedict XVI | |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 18:43 Post #62 |
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Eve Though i agree with the sentiments you express I would have to qualify it somewhat since they became one in marriage. Gerry |
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| maklavan | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 18:46 Post #63 |
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The last time I heard, slander and detraction are still sins in the eyes of the Church,and against the Commandments. It is sad to see Catholics making character assassinations based on the lies and concoctions of the tabloid Press. |
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| DeniseLawson | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 19:47 Post #64 |
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Ummm...actually, he has the obligation to not obey any civil law that contradicts divine law. For example, according to Church teaching, Catholics are not bound to abide by laws allowing abortion and euthanasia because such laws violate divine law in that they seek to legalize the murder of innocent human beings. If I can find the passage in the Catechism for this, I'll post it later, but I know it's there because I read it recently. That said, however, I would hope that his joining the church meant he was somehow able to reconcile his past differences with Church teachings - surely the Cardnial saw something there that indicated his sincerity in living in accordance with the Church's teachings to the best of his ability. If he isn't able to completely embrace the Church's teachings on abortion at this time, then it seems to me he needs our prayers - leave the judmgent to God and the authorities He appointed to do so - the apostles and their descendents. |
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| Clare | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 21:57 Post #65 |
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Was he baptised when he was received into the Church? Given that conditional baptism is no longer routine when someone is received from a denomination, chances are his original baptism still stands. I presume he was baptised as an Anglican in the first place. |
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| Clare | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 21:59 Post #66 |
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Well, yes, if defending Catholic principles constitutes "judgmentalism". |
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| DeniseLawson | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:05 Post #67 |
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That's what I was wondering. And I suspect he was baptized in the Anglican Church at some point. If he was, it would have definitely been a trinitarian baptism, therefore no need for the RCC to baptize him. |
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| Michaeljohn | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:09 Post #68 |
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maklavan, I am a simple man and was taught always to see the best in people. Perhaps you could explain this post and also tell me in what way it is not itself character assassination. Perhaps you could also point me towards the specific "lies and concoctions" you refer to and which particular organ of "the tabloid Press" you are accusing. In the interests of clarity and fairness, you understand. |
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| Em. | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:16 Post #69 |
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DeniseLawson I am sure that you are right, at least that is what I was brought up to beleive, but I do think that there is "something" to be carried out tom be recognised as Catholic. Whaty, I don't know. |
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| Em. | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:19 Post #70 |
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Michaeljohn maklavan is correc t, if you do not agree with him, then you missed much what was said in ALL the newspapers, the BBC etc. But you arer also right that is is a "sort" of chjaracter assasination, but again, with all rights. |
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| Clare | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:23 Post #71 |
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Not necessarily. Even if the Trinitarian formula is used, water still has to be poured, by the same person, at the same time, for validity. I've heard of Anglican baptisms where the water is dabbed with cotton wool. Trinitiarian formula or not, dabbing with cotton wool is not valid. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 22:29 Post #72 |
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Maklavan, some of our members have commented on Tony Blair's voting record on abortion. I fail to see how statements of established facts, can be interpreted as "character assassination based on lies and concoctions".
There is no reason why what a person did in the past should prevent him becoming a Catholic now. Before making a declaration of belief, a potential convert must receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation. What was said in the confessional is obviously between Tony Blair and his confessor. |
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| Michaeljohn | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 23:23 Post #73 |
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Em, let me get this right. If I do not agree with maklavan it's because I haven't read the newspapers or listened to/watched the BBC. (Always the BBC, of course; never Sky News or Channel 4 or ITV or CNN!). He is "correct" to accuse some Catholics (unspecified) of character assassination (without any specifics or evidence) and these comments must be the result of their reading "lies and concoctions" purveyed by that all-purpose bogeyman -- the tabloid press. Pass the garlic. What he says, you seem to agree, is also a sort of character assassination but that's OK because 1) he's on the side of the angels, and 2) it's only the tabloid press he's attacking. I'm not sure that we're taking a very Christian approach to this. Apart from one or two mildly critical comments which seemed to be fully justified by the information at hand we have broadly welcomed Tony Blair as a new recruit while being a little concerned that he should not be being allowed in under a false flag. Personally I am not in a position to know his present stance on any of the matters which have been raised and neither, as far as I know, is anyone else on this forum. Leave him alone and stop demanding self-abasement. It's not Christian. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 23. December 2007, 23:57 Post #74 |
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Well said, Michaeljohn. Now that Tony Blair has taken the big step, and become a Catholic, let us welcome him into the Catholic Church with open arms. |
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| CARLO | Monday, 24. December 2007, 00:10 Post #75 |
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Well said Michaeljohn and Rose! Let us keep our lay noses out of spiritual matters that are between Mr Blair and his confessor. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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