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Tony Blair & religion;; former PM's views & comments
Topic Started: Sunday, 24. June 2007, 17:35 (1,200 Views)
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karenjane we a thread somewhere about the Act of Settlement. I am pretty sure someone mentioned on there, press reports that the young woman who married Princess Anne's son had been baptised a Catholic but not raised to practise the Catholic faith, so from her point of view renunciation would be a formality.
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karenjane

Yes, a formality for her but she still had to do it. Being baptised a Catholic was enough for them to still ask her to do it.

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I found the old thread on The Act of Settlement.

http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/7021142/11/#new
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Remember "Gorbals Mick" the not so long ago speaker in the house. Michael Martin fron the East side of Glasgow first Roman Catholic to hold the job in 400 years.
The newspapers had a field day about him didn't they. Oh well he's retired now so not to worry.

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karenjane
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 21:26
Remember "Gorbals Mick" the not so long ago speaker in the house. Michael Martin fron the East side of Glasgow first Roman Catholic to hold the job in 400 years.
The newspapers had a field day about him didn't they. Oh well he's retired now so not to worry.

karenjane
Poor man, he got little support from fellow Catholics apart (I imagine) from those in his own constituency.

Being Catholic AND a politician seems to be a crime in the eyes of many Catholics!

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CARLO
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 21:42
Poor man, he got little support from fellow Catholics apart (I imagine) from those in his own constituency.
Being Catholic AND a politician seems to be a crime in the eyes of many Catholics!
No, Carlo... that's just not true.
Michael Martin (let's be tactful for once and just say) wasn't everyone's idea of a good Commons Speaker.
And when the MPs' financial scandal came along, his handling of it outraged many, including the very MPs he was trying to protect!
Had he not departed, the reputation of the Commons would have been even worse.
Whether the new guy (now the first Jewish Speaker) is good, as bad or just more subtle remains to be seen!
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CARLO
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 21:42
karenjane
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 21:26
Remember "Gorbals Mick" the not so long ago speaker in the house. Michael Martin fron the East side of Glasgow first Roman Catholic to hold the job in 400 years.
The newspapers had a field day about him didn't they. Oh well he's retired now so not to worry.

karenjane
Poor man, he got little support from fellow Catholics apart (I imagine) from those in his own constituency.

Being Catholic AND a politician seems to be a crime in the eyes of many Catholics!
CARLO I would dispute that. I have yet to hear of David Alton or John Battle being "knocked" by Catholics. for being Catholic politicians. Michael Martin brought criticism upon himself. His religion does not come into it. If I find a politician's behaviour unsavoury, I'm not going to keep my opinion to myself just because that politician is a fellow Catholic?
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"Gorbals Mick" is a contemptible racist insult with anti-Catholic undertones.

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Sunday, 20. September 2009, 20:45
"Gorbals Mick" is a contemptible racist insult with anti-Catholic undertones.
I hadn't twigged to that! Does is mean Catholic from the slums?
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I thought it was just a Scottish variation on Micks & Paddys. Around here we're left footers
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Yes the gutter press gave him this title and it stuck. Michael Martin did indeed come from the slums in The East end of Glasgow and he is of working class origin. The majority of Irish immigrants lived in the East the Gorbals being one of its many neighbourhoods.

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Sunday, 20. September 2009, 21:21
I thought it was just a Scottish variation on Micks & Paddys. Around here we're left footers
Here in Glasgow and Lanarkshire the colloquial terms are for Protestants: and some are not very nice for both sides

Billy- after King Billy (William) of Orange 1690 Battle of the Boyne
Bluenose- because Rangers football team is a blue strip
Huns
Orangers
The forces of Darkness
Ibrox Park - Glasgow Rangers park is known as castle Greyskull
There are more but they escape me at the minute

For Roman Catholics we have:

Tims- this is from the Irish Timaloins (spelling may be wrong)
Fenian Scum- again from the Irish
Bead Rattlers- self explanatory
Celtic park known as the Tattie Bowl in reference to the Irish Potato famine
Plastic Paddies
Lovers of paedophiles
Papists
This is but a few so I will stop here.

Shocking to say the least. There was an advert not so long ago which said :
One Scotland Many Cultures.
Good I thought to myself this is what we need to get the message across to the people of Scotland.
A few days later a young Scottish footballer (James McCarthy} was taunted and verbally abused by anti racist remarks when he played a game on the Saturday because he had signed to play for the Republic of Ireland national squad and not Scotland. He could do this due to his grandfather being Irish. The newspapers had a field day radio programmes on sport with phone ins were jam packed with callers spouting their venom, just unbelievable.
So much for (One Scotland Many Cultures). The player in question did reply to all of this by saying
"Scotland didn't want me they told me I wasn't good enough".
Why all the fuss you may ask. Well I don't know . It didn't bother me or my husband. Infact my husband was happy over his decision. But it bothered many journalists and other members of the public.
Their view was he is Scottish end of story. Meaning he just should dismiss his Irish grandparents his ethnic identity all the things Irish that he grew up and loved. Holidays to Ireland every year. Irish music, song and dance everything wholesome that was important to him. My husband was outraged and did telephone a radio talk show to say that if this was a black person who decided to play for example Nigeria and was brought up in Scotland and played foorball with one of the Premier Clubs here there would be no problem infact he said to the presenter we wouldn't even be having this conversation or talk in. He let them know his views saying he felt there was an anti Irish agenda alive and kicking in Scotland with some journalists and everyday football fans.
Sorry for drifting.

karenjane
It was a good talking point and Google it if you are interested.
The famine song is now deemed racist as it was one Rangers fans sang when Celtic and Rangers played each other.
"Up to our knees in Fenian Blood" was deemed by the judges as innapropriate.
So Michael Martin was just the tip of the iceberg.
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One is a prominent atheist, the other a devout Roman Catholic. Both share mutual admiration for each other, but for a few hours next month, they will be adversaries, facing off over the contentious topic of religion.
Renowned author and journalist Christopher Hitchens and former British prime minister Tony Blair will share a stage for the sixth semi-annual Munk Debates this November.

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One is a prominent atheist, the other a devout Roman Catholic..........................
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Renowned author and journalist Christopher Hitchens and former British prime minister Tony Blair

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Sonia Verms, journalist assesses Tony Blair to be devout. On what criteria do the media base such assessments? A thought crossed my mind, that I would like to wring the neck of the first person who bandied that expression about, but the entertainment of such a wicked temptation would exclude me from being a devout Catholic, so I am trying not to act upon the thought.

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I always think that the media refer to someone well known and Catholic as devout............ just prior to them slagging them off for doing something they perceive to be at odds with catholicism. It then makes excellent copy for their newspaper or television programme.
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