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Tony Blair & religion;; former PM's views & comments
Topic Started: Sunday, 24. June 2007, 17:35 (1,201 Views)
Mike F

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Sunday, 8. June 2008, 16:15
Mike F
Friday, 6. June 2008, 14:49


I always think it queer that the world weeps and cries for justice when an American soldier mistakenly kills a civilian during a firefight, but chooses indifference when an Islamo-fascist detonates a small boy to kill the same civilians.
I know that that is the broader picture but, nevertheless, with more and more money being spent while Mugabe and similar dictators continue to thumb their noses at the west, the general opinion seems to be that if there's no oil in the area then the wheels will grind slowly.
However, we're letting Tony Blair off meantime by criticising the US government.
You know, in many of these countries the leadership is corrupt, they steal the aid that does enter the country, leaving poor people to suffer. Without the unilateral will to squeeze these thugs, the poor will continue to suffer.

The biggest obstacles are the multinational banks who rely on the revenue generated through the alliances they've forged with Thugs, Inc. Western leaders understand this and allow it to continue. We have our own corruption problems.

The Popes in recent years have written about this extensively, sadly though, and I am being a bit pretentious, their words are directed at elected leaders, and miss the chance to educate voters about the global system that they empower with their votes. Most have no idea that banks, corporations, governments, privateers and thugs around the world all work together to reap the natural resources of third world nations while knowingly allowing these nations to take on $billions in debt, enslaving them forever to the system. When Popes call for forgiving debt, this is what they are talking about-- breaking the cycle of financial slavery that causes poverty to persist. But they never break it down into simple language, and voters have no idea. The bank that offers you free checking and a Visa card also demands payment on debts placed by dictators who are given commissions for mining contracts on national resources for which the owners of that resource get nothing.
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If, when Tony Blair indicated a desire to become a Catholic, he had been told to follow normal procedure, attend parish RCIA and be received into the Church with other people, he may have got the message, that he would have the same status as any other parishioner, and would not be in a position to advise the Pope on what and how to interpret the word of God.
Keep the Faith!

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RIMINI, Italy, JULY 22, 2009 (Zenit.org).- The Communion and Liberation movement is focusing on knowledge and faith at its annual meeting this year, in which former British Prime Minister Tony Blair and former Florida governor Jeb Bush are among the speakers.
The Meeting for Friendship Among the Peoples, known as the Rimini Meeting, is marking its 29th anniversary this year and will be held Aug. 23-29.
In addition to Bush and Blair, other prominent guests will include Cardinal Antonio María Rouco Varela, archbishop of Madrid; John Milbank of the University of Nottingham; and Rémi Brague of the Sorbonne.
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John Smeaton, director of SPUC is not happy about this and has a lengthy post on his blog from which I quote
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Remember: This is the man favoured by the British Government to become president of the European Union (EU). An Obama-Blair alliance imposing its “pro-choice” culture of death worldwide has been described thus by leading Vatican scholar Monsignor Michel Schooyans:
“What the analysis of Barack Obama's decisions and Tony Blair's project reveals is that an alliance is coming between two converging intentions, one aimed at subjugating law and the other at subjugating religion. This is the new version of the two-headed eagle. Law and religion are exploited to 'legitimize' anything at all.”
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I can understand the reaction, even though we have as yet no idea what he will say. Let's hope he receives some advice from his spiritual mentors before again putting his foot in it.

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Let's hope he receives some advice from his spiritual mentors before again putting his foot in it.


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sumermamma

I thought this worth posting. It's from Spirit Daily and an interview by Zenit with Tony Blair about his decision to convert.

Blair Reveals What Attracted Him to Catholicism

"One of the things that has most attracted me to the Catholic Church is her universal nature. If you are a Catholic, you can go anywhere in the world and attend Mass. I was at Mass in Kigali, Beijing, Singapore ... The fact that wherever you are, you are in communion with others is really formidable. The universal Church herself is an important model of a global institution."
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The Zenit report is here. It was an interview in L'Osservatore Romano but I can't find it in the online English Edition

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sumermamma
Wednesday, 16. September 2009, 23:59
I thought this worth posting. It's from Spirit Daily and an interview by Zenit with Tony Blair about his decision to convert.

Blair Reveals What Attracted Him to Catholicism

"One of the things that has most attracted me to the Catholic Church is her universal nature. If you are a Catholic, you can go anywhere in the world and attend Mass. I was at Mass in Kigali, Beijing, Singapore ... The fact that wherever you are, you are in communion with others is really formidable. The universal Church herself is an important model of a global institution."
You don't need to be a Catholic to go anywhere in the world and attend Mass.. Tony Blair should know that. He attended Mass regularly, with his family, when he was a member of the Church of England.
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Thursday, 17. September 2009, 01:27
You don't need to be a Catholic to go anywhere in the world and attend Mass.. Tony Blair should know that. He attended Mass regularly, with his family, when he was a member of the Church of England.
Mr Blair's conversion is, I suspect, a cover for some discreet and long-running responsibility that he's taken on - perhaps connected with Northern Ireland.
Edited by Ned, Thursday, 17. September 2009, 02:27.
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Anne-Marie

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"One of the things that has most attracted me to the Catholic Church is her universal nature. If you are a Catholic, you can go anywhere in the world and attend Mass. I was at Mass in Kigali, Beijing, Singapore ... The fact that wherever you are, you are in communion with others is really formidable. The universal Church herself is an important model of a global institution."

Interesting that God doesn't seem to come into it anywhere! :angel:
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Richard Hannay.

Anne-Marie
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 09:27
Tony Blair
 
"One of the things that has most attracted me to the Catholic Church is her universal nature. If you are a Catholic, you can go anywhere in the world and attend Mass. I was at Mass in Kigali, Beijing, Singapore ... The fact that wherever you are, you are in communion with others is really formidable. The universal Church herself is an important model of a global institution."

Interesting that God doesn't seem to come into it anywhere! :angel:
I though it was full of refrences to God it was just a different spelling. . . I an abreviated form of T O N Y...



If God that is I am who am the God of Isaac etc had anything to do with this Government well put it this way I think O'Ratty's clan have better ideas about how government should be exercised...not convinced they have got it right, I do not understand the nuances of their model, but they at least they have a clue. :boxing:
Edited by Richard Hannay., Thursday, 17. September 2009, 10:27.
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karenjane

I often wonder if Tony Blair put his political ideals first before coming a convert. If he was a RC could he have been PM?
What is the legislation on this. I thought a RC could not be a PM. Have there ever been a RC PM? The Queen is head of an anti Catholic establishment . Is she not?

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Edited by karenjane, Thursday, 17. September 2009, 12:00.
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There is no bar to a Roman Catholic holding the office of Prime Minister. However, it would be appropriate, perhaps necessary, for the advisory role in the appointment of Church of England bishops to be undertaken by someone else.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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karenjane

Has there ever been a RC Pm in say the last 200 years? Just curious.

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karenjane
Thursday, 17. September 2009, 13:17
Has there ever been a RC Pm in say the last 200 years? Just curious.
No.
Robert Walpole was the first Prime Minister in 1721 - because George I did not speak English.
The first appointment of a government formed from the party with a majority in the Commons was in 1696 by William III, who owed his throne to the Whigs (now known as Liberal Democrats).
It is only since the appointment of Balfour on 12 July 1902 that the Prime Minister has always been an MP.
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karenjane

That's very interesting to know that a Catholic has never been PM. What would have happened if Tony Blair had converted whilst being in office?
Would there have been problems or objections? We will never know.
I do recall when Princess Anne's son was marrying the girl from Canada she renounced her RC faith to marry him.
My view on that . I would never give my faith up for a man be it a member of the Royal family or Joe Bloggs.
But thats my opinion.
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