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Lady Gaga
Topic Started: Sunday, 30. August 2009, 12:39 (446 Views)
O'Ratty	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 12:39 Post #1
Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 15, 2009	Yesterday I heard next door's kids - nice, polite pre-teen children - bouncing on their trampoline while singing highlights from LG's sexually sinister and explicit ouevre at the tops of their trebling voices. It's easy to identify the beginning of this relentless race to the bottom with the loathsome Madonna (necks, millstones), as I used to. I realise however that the dyonisian drum-beat began much earlier. Where the bottom is, God knows. To what extent is it possible for Christians to sing along with the mass-marketed despair (in its various guises) with which we're all bombarded from morning to night? How do teach your kids to swim in this polluted, death-bearing culture without being sucked under? Is making an exception for Led Zep or The Cure (or Michael Jackson) in any way reasonable or consistent? What I find most puzzling is that some of the same people who make a fuss about removing the telly from the family home, are perfectly happy themselves to continue sucking at the fetid nipple of the "music industry". Edited by O'Ratty, Sunday, 30. August 2009, 12:47.
	Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything. - St. Gregory of Nyssa


Rose of York	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 16:24 Post #2
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	O'Ratty Sunday, 30. August 2009, 12:39 What I find most puzzling is that some of the same people who make a fuss about removing the telly from the family home, are perfectly happy themselves to continue sucking at the fetid nipple of the "music industry". The reason is that we who do not listen to pop music are unaware of what is going on in the music industry. Parents need to keep themselves informed about the music and the musicians who are providing entertainment for their children.
	$Posted Image$ Catholic and proud of it! Talk to God before Mass. Talk to each other afterwards


Anne-Marie	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 18:29 Post #3
Posts: 500 Group: Members Member #242 Joined: August 21, 2009	I used to say to my daughter, "Do you want to get sucked down to their level - or have a brain and be your own person?"
	Anne-Marie FIAT VOLUNTAS DEI


Powerofone	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 19:56 Post #4
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: October 2, 2008	When did the nipple first become fetid? In the 1970's? With rock 'n' roll? Prior to that maybe, in the saucy lyrics of Noel Coward? The blues had coded lyrics also. Does it do all the way back to Edison & the infernal phonograph? What about Tchaikovsky and his romantic ballets? Of course Beethoven was extremely popular and revolutionary in his day. Where does it all end?



KatyA	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 20:01 Post #5
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	Powerofone Sunday, 30. August 2009, 19:56 When did the nipple first become fetid? In the 1970's? With rock 'n' roll? Prior to that maybe, in the saucy lyrics of Noel Coward? The blues had coded lyrics also. Does it do all the way back to Edison & the infernal phonograph? What about Tchaikovsky and his romantic ballets? Of course Beethoven was extremely popular and revolutionary in his day. Where does it all end? Sorry P¹ but I really don't think that you can equate Beethoven's popular and revolutionary music with the no holds barred explicit lyrics we can hear today (even on Radio 2). Wasn't it Niccol� Paganini who was known as the "devil's fiddler", but that was more for the intricacy of his music than it's capacity to corrupt. KatyA



Powerofone	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 21:33 Post #6
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: October 2, 2008	So the rot started somewhere between 1830 and 1970 then?



Emee	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 21:54 Post #7
Posts: 1,278 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: September 26, 2006	Not forgetting Mussorgsky's "Night on Witch / Bare Mountain" which I find quite disturbing every time I hear it, even without any lyrics / accompanying video - for the sole reason that it leaves so much to the imagination; a potentially far more dangerous place than base lewd suggestions made by others. Let's not forget today's Gospel - it is not what goes into human beings that makes them unclean; it's what comes out of them - I find that humbling to say the least...



OsullivanB	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 22:11 Post #8
Posts: 2,193 Group: Moderator Member #205 Joined: August 14, 2008	Socrates/Plato had strong views about the power of music to lead people astray and proposed to ban certain kinds in his model state. That's the earliest such complaint of which I am aware.



O'Ratty	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 22:45 Post #9
Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 15, 2009	Can I just bring all these erudite speculations back to the point - which is 9, 11 and 12 year old children singing "I'll get him hard - show him what I've got" Am I really alone in thinking this a little off-colour? Am I just being dirty-minded? Edited by O'Ratty, Monday, 31. August 2009, 06:39.
	Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything. - St. Gregory of Nyssa


O'Ratty	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 22:48 Post #10
Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 15, 2009	Powerofone Sunday, 30. August 2009, 19:56 When did the nipple first become fetid? When it began to stink so strongly of money.
	Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything. - St. Gregory of Nyssa


karenjane	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 22:52 Post #11
Posts: 226 Group: Members Member #240 Joined: August 2, 2009	This is so disgusting. I will be on my guard now. I don't know much about the music of today but my daughter listens to Hannah Montana. Tomorrow I am off so I will play the CD to make sure it is ok. She has a few CD's so I will be going through them whilst I tidy up.



O'Ratty	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 23:02 Post #12
Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 15, 2009	Emee Sunday, 30. August 2009, 21:54 Not forgetting Mussorgsky's "Night on Witch / Bare Mountain" which I find quite disturbing every time I hear it, even without any lyrics / accompanying video - for the sole reason that it leaves so much to the imagination; a potentially far more dangerous place than base lewd suggestions made by others. Let's not forget today's Gospel - it is not what goes into human beings that makes them unclean; it's what comes out of them - I find that humbling to say the least... So it's really Moussorksky I ought to be concerned about? Today's gospel in the Orthodox Church was about the rich young man who thought he was doing all right until the Lord suggested he give up the one thing he wouldn't.
	Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything. - St. Gregory of Nyssa


KatyA	Sunday, 30. August 2009, 23:08 Post #13
Administrator Posts: 5,391 Group: Admin Member #6 Joined: September 26, 2006	O'Ratty Sunday, 30. August 2009, 22:45 Can I just bring all these high minded speculations back to the point - which is 9, 11 and 12 year old children singing "I'll get him hard - show him what I've got" Am I really alone in thinking this a little off-colour? No, you aren't. Leaving aside the quality of the music, some of the lyrics are absolutely rancid and when one considers that the prime audience comprises very young teens and pre teens,one does wonder why there are so few complaints. Is it that we don't listen to the lyrics ( probably in an attempt to block the noise of the music) or are we so afraid of that terrible word "censorship"



Patrick	Monday, 31. August 2009, 00:00 Post #14
Administrator Posts: 3,629 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	I agree with the comments here but wish to point out something if I may? The lyrics O'Ratty posted for that Lady Gaga song are actually "I'll get him hot, show him what I've got".



O'Ratty	Monday, 31. August 2009, 05:42 Post #15
Posts: 418 Group: Members Member #223 Joined: March 15, 2009	So my wife tells me, Patrick. That's not what the kids were singing, and it's not, in fact, what's on the recordng I last heard, in which she most certainly sings "hard". Perhaps there are two mixes - one with "hard" and another with "hot" for more squeamish radio playlisters (though frankly I can't see that it makes much difference) - like the artfully placed "ding" covering the word "f**ing" in the single version of Lilly Allen's The Fear. I'm not going to poke around in the effluent any more than is necessary here. The empty-eyed, humourless LG explained the lyrics of this particular song (I've given you only a single line of it) in her recent appearance with Jonathan Ross (which you can get on youtube). She explains that it's about having sex with a man while fantasising, unknown to her partner, about having sex with another woman. Edited by O'Ratty*, Monday, 31. August 2009, 06:26.
	Concepts create idols; only wonder grasps anything. - St. Gregory of Nyssa


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