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| Rose of York | Friday, 6. November 2009, 15:42 Post #196 |
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PJD administering the Sacraments is the highest priority.
It is a fact, that in an area suffering extreme priest shortage, people can wait over a week for a priest to administer the Sacrament of Annointing. One can hardly expect him to spare an extra few minutes to give comfort and support, he has to dash off to other essential duties, someone else is in similar need. I know one priest whose health broke down, when he was only in his fifties, it was entirely due to having to keep going during what began as a minor illness. |
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| Joseph | Friday, 6. November 2009, 18:00 Post #197 |
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"Sacramentally deprived" - what a load of nonsense. The simple fact of the matter is that we have had it too good for too long. Until the Church gets it act together, and functions according to its rules, the priesthood and all religious vocations shall continue to decline. Our mass hypocrisy and dissent weigh very heavily I'm afraid, and the toll is great. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 6. November 2009, 18:13 Post #198 |
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Joseph as a carer of many years, in contact with others in a similar situation, I speak from experience. Those who can get to Mass are not sacramentally deprived. Many who are sick are deprived. So are their carers when the only Mass within 10 to 20 miles is at a time of day when duty calls. |
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| Joseph | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 16:59 Post #199 |
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How do Hermits cope Rose? Will they never get to heaven, not having been able to receive the Sacraments? |
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 17:11 Post #200 |
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Joseph, whatever makes you think that hermits do not receive the sacraments?
This couldn't possibly permit withdrawal from the sacraments. Edited by OsullivanB, Saturday, 7. November 2009, 17:15.
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 18:00 Post #201 |
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There used to be a hermit living in a caravan on the moors behind Whitby. She was featured on TV. She did go to Mass, there was a local understanding that she was to be left alone before and after Mass, which she attended in a side chapel. Anyway, hermits choose their way of life. Those who are sick are not necessarily housebound or housebound all of the time, nor are their carers. I take as an example my late neighbour, he could not get to Mass because the only one available was in the evening, after the latest time when his Social Services carer called to help him undress for bed (he was a widower who lived alone). During the day, if he felt well enough, he did get out to the local post office, and occasionally for pub lunches, his friend drove him there. You wrote ""Sacramentally deprived" - what a load of nonsense." What about the Sacrament of Annointing? How often would a person in a parish with sufficient clergy, receive that sacrament? It is an impossibility for a priest with three parishes, to administer that sacrament as often as a good priest would like to. He needs to prioritise, concentrate on people who are close to death. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 18:03 Post #202 |
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They must be in contact with the human race, to get food for their bodies, clothing, and cash with which to pay for necessities, therefore it is safe to assume they would not refuse admission to a priest if one was needed. Don't they use doctors? |
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| John Sweeney | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 23:35 Post #203 |
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Isn't the discussion on this thread redundant given the recent announcement by the Pope which has been interpreted by all sides as meaning that like his predecessor he will be happy to see married priests coming over from Anglicanism? I don't want to tangle two separate threads but surely it is now established that there is no doctrinal bar to married priests? John |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. November 2009, 23:45 Post #204 |
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John it never was doctrine, it is a rule made and enforced by men who govern the Church. Man made rules can be changed - but only by the men who are in a position to make the decision (every one of them wifeless). |
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| Joseph | Sunday, 8. November 2009, 00:18 Post #205 |
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OK. Perhaps hermits was not the best example to give off the top of my head, but I had in mind 'real' hermits living in almost total isolation far away from human settlements. There are many other examples of course throughout the world where priests and the sacraments may very rarely or never be available to people who are left to practice the Catholic faith in such situations as best they can. In such circumstances I am sure they are not seen by God to be any less faithful. The same will apply to us if and when the services we have always been accustomed to having are no longer available, for whatever reason. It really isn't a big deal IMHO. We do not have a 'right' God given or otherwise, to have such services made available to us to suit our convenience, even though we have always had it in the past. Times are changing, and in many cases for the worse. And they could well get much worse before they get better, due to lack of priests, closures of churches, continuing fall in attendance, etc. but none of that needs make us despondent. If we are serious about our faith we are simply required to do the best we can under whatever circumstances we are faced with, and the Lord will certainly not look upon our state as being in any way inferior to what it is now - so why worry? Ca Sara Sara! Edited by Joseph, Sunday, 8. November 2009, 00:22.
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 8. November 2009, 00:39 Post #206 |
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Why worry? Because the people who cannot get to the church still want (yes, want) the services of a priest, and when they are able they want to get to a church - just like you do. I gather it is not your problem, Joseph so why worry? I would not want to be in the position of people who live so far from a church they just cannot get there due to being unable to drive, or the car being beyond repair and being unable to afford to replace it, and nobody living close enough to offer them a lift. That is what happens when churches are closed. I feel for those people. As for what we are required to do, what about peoples' personal requirements, they might WANT to go to Mass, in most cases it is nothing to do with requirements or obligations. By the way, attendances are rising, not falling. They hit the million, last year, not as high as they used to be but an increase on recent years. It may be that God wants the married Anglican clergy to join us, to demonstrate that the people must be served adequately and it is high time the Church changed its discipline. Who told us to eat his body and drink his blood? |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 8. November 2009, 01:33 Post #207 |
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Why do you seem so resistant to the idea that the diaconate may be part of this process? Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 8. November 2009, 01:33.
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 8. November 2009, 01:36 Post #208 |
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Not permitted under canon law so far as I can see. Possibly part of the reason for this is precisely the separation from the Mass and the Eucharist which this would inevitably entail. |
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| Joseph | Monday, 9. November 2009, 12:25 Post #209 |
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Rose, your post is all about 'self'. I WANT, they WANT, etc None of us are entitled to have all we WANT, whether that be faith-related or not. We have no such RIGHTS. If we are fortunate enough to have most of our WANTS satisfied, we must count our blessings. But if any are missing, even though all involved in their provision are doing their best to supply them, we must accept that situation - not just moan about it! If we and they are doing our best, I see nothing to be gained by moaning. |
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| Joseph | Monday, 9. November 2009, 12:32 Post #210 |
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How did you gain that impression OsB? I am a great supporter of the Permanent Diaconate, and all the ones I have met have been great fellows doing a superb job in fulfilling their vocations - much of which is greatly appreciated by those on the receiving end, and indeed by all those who know them. |
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