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"thinking like an adult"
Topic Started: Tuesday, 30. June 2009, 13:43 (647 Views)
Ned	Thursday, 9. July 2009, 15:31 Post #31
Posts: 674 Group: Members Member #61 Joined: March 1, 2007	Joe Valente Wednesday, 8. July 2009, 17:18 Two of my visits coincided with the International Military Pilgrimage, asnd yes on those occasions there was some public drunkeness and I have to save , to my shame, that the Irish contingent were well to the forefront here. If I'd seen that, Joe, I'd have gone bananas with righteous indignation. Though, to be fair to those Irish servicemen, some of them weren't there voluntarily. If they were down as RC they were just ordered to go out there; no option. We'll have to agree to differ. Regards Ned Edited by Ned, Thursday, 9. July 2009, 15:40.



Ned	Thursday, 9. July 2009, 16:07 Post #32
Posts: 674 Group: Members Member #61 Joined: March 1, 2007	Ned Wednesday, 8. July 2009, 16:10 1. The 'KEEP OUT' signs. 2. The 'EXTRAS'. Did any of you listen to RTE Radio 1. There is Mass broadcast at 10.00am every Sunday. Usually it's followed at 10.45am by a protestant service. Last Sunday the Protestant service was from a non-conformist church in Tullamore, but the service was ecumenical, not protestant. It was an ecumenical bible-study group. The two leaders were a catholic nun and a protestant minister. Most of the others who spoke seemed to be catholics. I was very impressed by all that I heard. The reading, the nun's little homily (she couldn't have delivered that in a church), laypeople praying in their own words. What I particularly noticed was that one woman who had gone along to the pub was a lapsed catholic who hadn't been to church for some time. It seems it started (four years ago, I think) when the nun, at the request of the PP, started an Alpha Course in one of the town's pubs. It's funny but only a few days before a young Irishwoman had been telling me about one of relatives back in Ireland (I'd better not say whereabouts). It seems that the relative , along with others is being sent, by the PP, to a protestant church for Bible Study. The PP has said that this is because he cannot give it himself. I don't know any more. Regards Ned



John Sweeney	Friday, 10. July 2009, 17:40 Post #33
Posts: 1,850 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	What about things like the veneration of the relics of St Therese? Are these cultural accretions? John



Ned	Saturday, 11. July 2009, 16:47 Post #34
Posts: 674 Group: Members Member #61 Joined: March 1, 2007	John Sweeney Friday, 10. July 2009, 17:40 What about things like the veneration of the relics of St Therese? Are these cultural accretions? As I see it, John - yes, they are. Where does it stop? Someone told me recently that there are parts of London where you can still fill a church st a 'healing service' if one of Padre Pio's mittens is there. The crowds who will turn out for those mortal remains of Saint Theresa will be the same squad crowding into Rathkeale to give glory to a tree stump, and that go to Puck Fair giving tribute to a goat. And I'd say that they are much the same people who not so long ago were standing solid in defence of paedophile perverts such as Father Fortune. I've seen plenty of them, John. They're decent people, but they scare other people off. And in the shadows there are some people who have turned these little devotions into cash-generators. Quote: Saint Paul's letter to Titus, chapter 1: 10 For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. 11 They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. Regards Ned



John Sweeney	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 19:48 Post #35
Posts: 1,850 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	I agree with you Ned but I think the removal of this type of thing from Catholicism is going to prove impossible John



Ned	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 20:40 Post #36
Posts: 674 Group: Members Member #61 Joined: March 1, 2007	John Sweeney Sunday, 12. July 2009, 19:48 I agree with you Ned but I think the removal of this type of thing from Catholicism is going to prove impossible John Let's put our trust in Almighty God, John. Nothing is impossible to Him. We can do our bit. It needs a two-pronged approach - educating the vulnerable, and giving the predators a tough time. Regards Ned



Powerofone	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 20:45 Post #37
Posts: 765 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: October 2, 2008	I'm all in favour of giving predators a tough time.



CARLO	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 21:51 Post #38
Posts: 1,691 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	I'm not sure what all this talk of 'predators' is about but I very much object to the idea that those Catholics who venerate relics of the Saints (probably the great majority!) are somehow not thinking like adults or are to be associated with wrong doing or cover ups of abuses. For crying out loud! The veneration of relics has been part of our Catholic culture and behaviour for centuries - of course people can get carried away sometimes but they mean and do no harm. It is up to the Clergy to correct any excesses and to counsel and guide proper veneration. I am encouraged that the relics of St Therese are coming to the UK and that the 'tour' is being well publicized in our Parishes. Everybody is talking about it in a positive way. If others want a sort of puritanical, threadbare, austere Catholicism can I suggest they try the enclosed orders? Ave Maria gratia plena Hail Mary full of grace CARLO
	Judica me Deus


Rose of York	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 22:35 Post #39
Administrator Posts: 14,558 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	For myself, it is preferable to see such items as the stoles, breviaries and tiny chalices used by our martyrs, than venerating their bones.
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CARLO	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 23:03 Post #40
Posts: 1,691 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	Rose of York Sunday, 12. July 2009, 22:35 For myself, it is preferable to see such items as the stoles, breviaries and tiny chalices used by our martyrs, than venerating their bones. These are truly wonderful items. If only we made more of them and showed them to our young people as an aid to telling the stories of our Martyrs. Pax CARLO
	Judica me Deus


william of bow	Monday, 13. July 2009, 07:00 Post #41
Posts: 188 Group: Members Member #172 Joined: March 23, 2008	Ned and John, get a grip! "cultural accretions"? "predators"? The veneration of the relics of Saints has been a part of the faith from very earliest times. We know that the bones and possessions of the first Martyrs were venerated by the faithful. What is Pilgrimage about if not a chance to visit a shrine and pray before a relic or two? Also, every Altar has some relics set into the stone. If the certificate isn't framed in the Sacristy ask Father what saint your church happens to have. We have some fragments of Ss Perpetua and Felicity I too am looking forward to being able to say a pray before the relics of 'The Little Flower' - I will be at Aylesford on October 7th. See you there John and Ned. William
	William of Bow Quote: Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed: a passage which some have considered as a prophecy of modern journalism. [G.K.Chesterton] Check my Blog: http://www.williamonthehill.typepad.co.uk


John Sweeney	Monday, 13. July 2009, 09:16 Post #42
Posts: 1,850 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	William The cultural accretion term was used by the Archbishop of Dublin as I understand it. I am just trying to establish what exactly he means by this and Ned has been giving his views in answer to a couple of queries of mine as to what might be involved. I don't understand the predator post and take no responsibility for the term. I used to live a few miles from Aylesford and have visited it often though not for many years now. I would not go to see/venerate/pray in front of relics of any saints becuse I regard it as pretty barbaric stuff, closer to paganism than Christianity. But there you go, persoanl preferences and all that. The good Archbishop has his work cut out! The same goes for the insertion of relics into our altars. However, I guess given the number of churches throughout the world the provenance of some of the relics may be a little iffy! John John



Rose of York	Monday, 13. July 2009, 09:53 Post #43
Administrator Posts: 14,558 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	The predators are people who promote false claims to apparitions. One Irish bishop and one English bishop have issued press statements condemning such occurences in their dioceses. The guilty parties do not act in the name of the Church.
	$Posted Image$ Catholic and proud of it! Talk to God before Mass. Talk to each other afterwards


william of bow	Monday, 13. July 2009, 19:12 Post #44
Posts: 188 Group: Members Member #172 Joined: March 23, 2008	Thanks for that Rose - you mean, that place in the Balkans. Quote: I regard it as pretty barbaric stuff, closer to paganism than Christianity. But John, it isn't Pagan. Nor is it 'barbaric'. In saying this John you are merely buying into that Protestant ascetism which Carlo mentioned earlier. And Protestants only 'look down their noses at it' because they are too ignorant to find out what venerating relics is all about. As also their criticism of Catholics praying to Our Lady. But then John , given what you say here, praying the Rosary is nothing except a cultural accretion to you. William
	William of Bow Quote: Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed: a passage which some have considered as a prophecy of modern journalism. [G.K.Chesterton] Check my Blog: http://www.williamonthehill.typepad.co.uk


william of bow	Monday, 13. July 2009, 19:15 Post #45
Posts: 188 Group: Members Member #172 Joined: March 23, 2008	Quote: Though, to be fair to those Irish servicemen, some of them weren't there voluntarily. If they were down as RC they were just ordered to go out there; no option. Almost certainly not true Ned. William
	William of Bow Quote: Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed: a passage which some have considered as a prophecy of modern journalism. [G.K.Chesterton] Check my Blog: http://www.williamonthehill.typepad.co.uk


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