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| Topic Started: Friday, 12. June 2009, 20:20 (383 Views) | |
| PJD | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 12:32 Post #16 |
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" If the bishops in Germany during the twenties and thirties had paid closer attention to the plausible and reasonable changes slowly introduced to the constitution and state laws the NAZI party may have been thwarted before it became too powerful to resist." You make a very good point here Penfold. But (and I understand it may be difficult for you to fully agree) are we not following the same route now as then. Too much cuddling up to the secular authorities, and still less assertion of the theological implications. And another thing - some are saying here that the adoption agencies have been closed down. Have they? Or have they just changed their names? I incline to agree with QV's comment 'if only'. PJD |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 14:21 Post #17 |
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I agree the warning from history should not be ignored. |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 17:14 Post #18 |
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TEARFUL IN TORQUAY (On the removal by Torbay Council of the Crucifix from their Crematorium) To crematorium chapel in Torquay After fifty years of fidelity A crucifix that once hung five feet in height Is brought down by Council edict Confirmed by way of e-mail To provide equality for unbelievers And on health and safety grounds For fear that employees scaling ladders To veil bleeding wounds from offended eyes Should stumble and against Corporation Bring legal process And claims for compensation This cowardly decision executives assure Made only after most careful consideration. So God fearing citizens that mourn in Devon Must say farewell to dear departed Raising tearful eyes to heaven uncomforted And contenting themselves To avoid offence or bad impression With corner table cross of pocket size A last minute municipal concession And no more a place of holy contemplation But a “ceremony hall” Stripped of all signs of sacrifice And forbidden symbols of consecration But let not the bare walls Of this vacant tearoom Contain our funeral oration Cry outrage Cry shame Cry righteous indignation! Copyright “CARLO” 2005 |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 17:48 Post #19 |
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Carlolinks to the story. http://www.civitas.org.uk/blog/2005/06/council_crematoria_have_now_be.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article531385.ece http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1491641/Cross-removed-from-crematorium-chapel.html |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 21:18 Post #20 |
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Some Catholic Childrens Societies have pulled out of adoption, some are donating their funds to new charities that comply with the new legisation, some are trying to find legal means of being exempt. There is a lot of information in a 12 page forum discussion, Adoption of Children - SORS. http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/105205/12/#new |
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| Mairtin | Sunday, 14. June 2009, 22:22 Post #21 |
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According to that Telegraph report, nobody ever actually complained about the cross. That's what really annoys me about this sort of PC-gone-mad carry on, it never seems to be a case of people actually being offended, it always seems to be some jobsworthy who fancies him or her self as a self appointed do-gooder protecting the interests of people whom they think might be offended. |
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| PJD | Monday, 15. June 2009, 07:48 Post #22 |
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"Some Catholic Childrens Societies have pulled out of adoption, some are donating their funds to new charities that comply with the new legisation, some are trying to find legal means of being exempt." You know Rose as well as myself that when it comes down to the wire - is it a matter of attempting to get around government legislation or more so a matter of attempting to get around Catholic doctrine? PJD |
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| william of bow | Monday, 15. June 2009, 08:17 Post #23 |
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I have just come back from a weekend with a friend of mine who wanted to 'pick my brain'. She is doing an MA in the Ethics of Social Welfare and although 30 years in the management of social care is not actually a social worker. We have spent the weekend discussing moral character and moral conduct in social workers. There does appear to be a lot of evidence to support the view that a social worker needs to be a person of 'good' moral character and impeccable moral conduct. It appears that after 30 or more years of moral relativism and 'political correctness' that the view is shaping that without moral character and without behaving in a moral way it is not possible to deliver services to those in need in any effective or lasting manner. It is all tied up with concepts such as 'modelling' and in, of course, the concept of Truth. That is to say, for example, that a person with really deep-grained racial views (eg 'white supremacist') simply cannot deliver an effective service to, eg, a south asian family no matter how hard the worker tries to 'hide' behind any agency or professional code of political correctness masquerading as a code of ethics. William |
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| william of bow | Monday, 15. June 2009, 08:23 Post #24 |
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Sorry, me again.
I don't think this is correct, Penfold. It may be what her Tutors have told her but it aint necessarily so. Has she contacted the Guild of Catholic Doctors? Or our friend Neil Addison? |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 15. June 2009, 09:27 Post #25 |
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Thanks William, I have suggested the Guild of Catholic Docters and thats when it became cleer that it is not just a matter of law it is Pressure, I would call it bullying, on the part of the College faculty. I shall check out Neil Addison, thanks again and if any one else has advice on the matter it would be welcome but the bottom line is the lass has been told and as a 1st year student is feeling very vunerable. She is in the middle of Exams at the moment but I shall take the matter up with her later in the summer and see if the matter can be resolved. |
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| PJD | Monday, 15. June 2009, 09:33 Post #26 |
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"I don't think this is correct, Penfold. It may be what her Tutors have told her but it aint necessarily so." As Spock said in Star Trek........"a lie?" PJD |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 15. June 2009, 10:12 Post #27 |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169414/Roman-Catholic-adoption-agencies-cut-ties-church-gay-equality-laws.html http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/12/Roman_Catholic_adoption_agencies_cut_ties_with_church_over_g/ http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9558 some interesting articles. |
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