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Equality Bill - More ludicrous legilation; could mean removing religious images
Topic Started: Friday, 12. June 2009, 20:20 (383 Views)
PJD

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If the bishops in Germany during the twenties and thirties had paid closer attention to the plausible and reasonable changes slowly introduced to the constitution and state laws the NAZI party may have been thwarted before it became too powerful to resist."

You make a very good point here Penfold. But (and I understand it may be difficult for you to fully agree) are we not following the same route now as then. Too much cuddling up to the secular authorities, and still less assertion of the theological implications.

And another thing - some are saying here that the adoption agencies have been closed down. Have they? Or have they just changed their names?

I incline to agree with QV's comment 'if only'.

PJD

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Sunday, 14. June 2009, 12:32
You make a very good point here Penfold. But (and I understand it may be difficult for you to fully agree) are we not following the same route now as then. Too much cuddling up to the secular authorities, and still less assertion of the theological implications.





I agree the warning from history should not be ignored.
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TEARFUL IN TORQUAY

(On the removal by Torbay Council of the Crucifix from their Crematorium)

To crematorium chapel in Torquay
After fifty years of fidelity
A crucifix that once hung five feet in height
Is brought down by Council edict
Confirmed by way of e-mail
To provide equality for unbelievers
And on health and safety grounds
For fear that employees scaling ladders
To veil bleeding wounds from offended eyes
Should stumble and against Corporation
Bring legal process
And claims for compensation
This cowardly decision executives assure
Made only after most careful consideration.

So God fearing citizens that mourn in Devon
Must say farewell to dear departed
Raising tearful eyes to heaven uncomforted
And contenting themselves
To avoid offence or bad impression
With corner table cross of pocket size
A last minute municipal concession
And no more a place of holy contemplation
But a “ceremony hall”
Stripped of all signs of sacrifice
And forbidden symbols of consecration

But let not the bare walls
Of this vacant tearoom
Contain our funeral oration
Cry outrage
Cry shame

Cry righteous indignation!


Copyright “CARLO” 2005
Judica me Deus
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:thanks: Carlo


links to the story.


http://www.civitas.org.uk/blog/2005/06/council_crematoria_have_now_be.html


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article531385.ece


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1491641/Cross-removed-from-crematorium-chapel.html
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PJD
Sunday, 14. June 2009, 12:32
And another thing - some are saying here that the adoption agencies have been closed down. Have they? Or have they just changed their names?

Some Catholic Childrens Societies have pulled out of adoption, some are donating their funds to new charities that comply with the new legisation, some are trying to find legal means of being exempt.

There is a lot of information in a 12 page forum discussion, Adoption of Children - SORS.

http://s10.zetaboards.com/Catholic_CyberForum/topic/105205/12/#new
Keep the Faith!

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Sunday, 14. June 2009, 17:48
According to that Telegraph report, nobody ever actually complained about the cross.

That's what really annoys me about this sort of PC-gone-mad carry on, it never seems to be a case of people actually being offended, it always seems to be some jobsworthy who fancies him or her self as a self appointed do-gooder protecting the interests of people whom they think might be offended.
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"Some Catholic Childrens Societies have pulled out of adoption, some are donating their funds to new charities that comply with the new legisation, some are trying to find legal means of being exempt."

You know Rose as well as myself that when it comes down to the wire - is it a matter of attempting to get around government legislation or more so a matter of attempting to get around Catholic doctrine?

PJD
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The Government has made clear that certain provisions in the Bill are intended to make sure churches can no longer insist that employees such as youth workers live lives consistent with the churches' teaching on sexual ethics.


I have just come back from a weekend with a friend of mine who wanted to 'pick my brain'. She is doing an MA in the Ethics of Social Welfare and although 30 years in the management of social care is not actually a social worker.

We have spent the weekend discussing moral character and moral conduct in social workers. There does appear to be a lot of evidence to support the view that a social worker needs to be a person of 'good' moral character and impeccable moral conduct.

It appears that after 30 or more years of moral relativism and 'political correctness' that the view is shaping that without moral character and without behaving in a moral way it is not possible to deliver services to those in need in any effective or lasting manner. It is all tied up with concepts such as 'modelling' and in, of course, the concept of Truth. That is to say, for example, that a person with really deep-grained racial views (eg 'white supremacist') simply cannot deliver an effective service to, eg, a south asian family no matter how hard the worker tries to 'hide' behind any agency or professional code of political correctness masquerading as a code of ethics.

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Sorry, me again.

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my cousins youngster studying for medicine in Aberdeen has been told that if she wishes to be a doctor she will be required to assist in an abortion as an integral part of her training. She has no choice and the law no longer protects her,


I don't think this is correct, Penfold. It may be what her Tutors have told her but it aint necessarily so. Has she contacted the Guild of Catholic Doctors? Or our friend Neil Addison?
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Monday, 15. June 2009, 08:23
Sorry, me again.

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my cousins youngster studying for medicine in Aberdeen has been told that if she wishes to be a doctor she will be required to assist in an abortion as an integral part of her training. She has no choice and the law no longer protects her,


I don't think this is correct, Penfold. It may be what her Tutors have told her but it aint necessarily so. Has she contacted the Guild of Catholic Doctors? Or our friend Neil Addison?
Thanks William, I have suggested the Guild of Catholic Docters and thats when it became cleer that it is not just a matter of law it is Pressure, I would call it bullying, on the part of the College faculty. I shall check out Neil Addison, thanks again and if any one else has advice on the matter it would be welcome but the bottom line is the lass has been told and as a 1st year student is feeling very vunerable. She is in the middle of Exams at the moment but I shall take the matter up with her later in the summer and see if the matter can be resolved.
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"I don't think this is correct, Penfold. It may be what her Tutors have told her but it aint necessarily so."

As Spock said in Star Trek........"a lie?"

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169414/Roman-Catholic-adoption-agencies-cut-ties-church-gay-equality-laws.html


http://article.wn.com/view/2009/04/12/Roman_Catholic_adoption_agencies_cut_ties_with_church_over_g/

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/9558

some interesting articles.
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