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Crossing the Tiber
Topic Started: Tuesday, 9. June 2009, 17:50 (793 Views)
KatyA
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Jeffrey Steele gives an account of his conversion on his blog http://frjeffreysteel.blogspot.com/2009/06/journey-home-to-catholic-church-i-have.html
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What I became aware of was that it was almost impossible to say 'the Church teaching is' within the Anglican church because there are so many various opinions on matters of sacraments, liturgy, morality, scripture etc. What I did not want to experience anymore was proclaiming the teaching of the Church only to end up defending myself rather than the Anglican church defending me. This has become an ever-increasing impossibility that is no secret to the entire Anglican world. My preaching would always be seen as a matter of personal opinion rather than having the authority of the Magisterium that backs up what I teach publicly. Of course there is dissent in the Catholic Church but it is always that, dissent towards what Mother Church proclaims as authoritatively true. It is the truth of Mother Church that I embrace as my own deep personal faith.

It's interesting to note that his theological studies set him on the path to Rome. The same thing has been said by many of the guests on EWTN's "Journey Home"
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KatyA

I read this earlier - very inspiring and encouraging!

Yes, it is often theological studies that bring people to the One True Faith. Such was the case with John Henry Newman, who fought against becoming a Catholic, until the sheer logic overwhelmed him.

Let us not be slow to use theology, at an appropriate level of understanding, and let us not be diffident, even in these ecumenical times, about encouraging our separated brethren to cross the Tiber.

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or the Jordan.
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Powerofone
Tuesday, 9. June 2009, 21:39
or the Jordan.
No, in this case the Tiber for it is a time honoured phrase symbolising becoming a Roman Catholic usually used in reference to Anglicans coming over.
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Fr Ray has this picture of Jeffrey Steel crossing the Tiber :grin:
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Powerofone
Tuesday, 9. June 2009, 21:39
or the Jordan.
But both the East and West Banks are now overwhelmingly Muslim.
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"Yes, it is often theological studies that bring people to the One True Faith. Such was the case with John Henry Newman, who fought against becoming a Catholic, until the sheer logic overwhelmed him.

Let us not be slow to use theology, at an appropriate level of understanding, and let us not be diffident, even in these ecumenical times, about encouraging our separated brethren to cross the Tiber."


Yes I agree with QV's observation here.

Newman also made the point that it is not a question of being 'nice' but what is true. As a result very often those who adhere - loosely perhaps - to his axiom - often feel that they are positioned as the bad guys, even among their friends.

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10 of the 12 nuns at an Episcopal convent in Catonsville, together with their chaplain, left their church on Thursday to become Roman Catholics
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The members of the All Saints Sisters of the Poor were welcomed into the Catholic Church by Archbishop Edwin F. O'Brien, who confirmed the women during a Mass in their chapel. Each vowed to continue their tradition of consecrated life, now as a religious institute within the Archdiocese of Baltimore.

"We know our beliefs and where we are," said Mother Christina Christie, superior of the order that came to Baltimore in 1872. "We were drifting farther apart from the more liberal road the Episcopal Church is travelling. We are now more at home in the Roman Catholic Church."

Also joining the church was the Rev. Warren Tanghe, the sisters' chaplain. In a statement, Episcopal Bishop Eugene Taylor Sutton wished them God's blessings.
Baltimore Sun
There is a further report at Catholic Review
The Baltimore report also says that according to a scholar of Anglicanism at Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Mass., while individuals have moved and back and forth between the Episcopal and Catholic churches, the confirmation of virtually an entire order appears to be a first.

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The Benedictine Nuns at the Abbey in Chester where I am an Oblate were once an Anglican order, They converted en masse in 1913!

From their website:

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The Community, now at Curzon Park, Chester, began as an Anglican Benedictine foundation at Feltham, Middlesex, on 24th June, 1868. After several moves, including Twickenham, West Malling and Milford Haven, the Community settled in North Wales, having been received into the Roman Catholic Church in 1913.

Bishop Francis Mostyn, who had accepted the new Catholic Nuns as his special charge, also found them a home when his family residence, Talacre Hall and Estate had to be auctioned in 1919. The Community moved to North Wales in 1920.

The early years in Wales were ones of growth but also of hardship as the Community struggled to establish itself. In 1921, the Nuns were accepted as members of the English Benedictine Congregation, thus inheriting a venerable tradition and a more deeply-rooted Catholic identity.
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KatyA
Friday, 4. September 2009, 12:39
Baltimore Sun
There is a further report at Catholic Review
The Baltimore report also says that according to a scholar of Anglicanism at Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Mass., while individuals have moved and back and forth between the Episcopal and Catholic churches, the confirmation of virtually an entire order appears to be a first.
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The Rev. Ian T. Douglas, a scholar of Anglicanism at Episcopal Divinity School in Cambridge, Mass., said that while individuals have moved and back and forth between the Episcopal and Catholic churches, the confirmation of virtually an entire order appears to be a first.


He said that, but he was mistaken. The Sisters are members of an Order called All Saints Sisters of the Poor. It was founded in London in 1861, is now based in Oxford, England, where they opened the world's first hospice for children. The Order also runs a care home in Oxford and has an address in Hemel Hempstead.

This was the confirmation of virtually all members of one convent. The two who remain within the Episcopal Church will continue living in the convent with their Roman Catholic sisters.

Mixed convent, this must be a first!



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I believe this happened too way back in the case of the monks at Caldey Island, Pembrokeshire. Seems strange to me that individuals can take such a collective decision but there you go.

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Friday, 4. September 2009, 18:37
I believe this happened too way back in the case of the monks at Caldey Island, Pembrokeshire. Seems strange to me that individuals can take such a collective decision but there you go.

John
There's nearly always somebody irreconcileable who decamps to continue the order's "original foundation" in the cowshed, or whatever. Something of the sort is happening among the Redemptorists on Papa Stronsay, I believe.
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The Rev Taylor, whose children's book Shadowmancer became an international best-seller, said he was turning instead to the Roman Catholic church, which he believes is less afraid to stand up for important moral issues.
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I haven't found the piece Rev Taylor wrote for the Yorkshire Post yet, but I am a tad concerned that nowhere in this Telegraph article did he say that he was converting because he accepted the truth of Catholicism.
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It's a funny thing this conversion. I mentioned in another thread the Catholic couple I know who are now studying to be received into the Church in Wales ( Anglican). As cradle Catholics they knew very little about Anglicanism but attended a local service to accompany their son's fiancee who had come down from London to stay with them and wanted to attend. The husband had an almost instant conversion and says he felt immediately at home and a strong sense that this was the right place for him. His wife was attracted by the service as well but hers was a more slowly growing conviction that this was the right move to make. Beyond that I haven't asked them to elaborate because they started talking about this being the final stage of their "faith journey" at which point I always lose interest, whatever direction the converts are travelling in.

By the way, it's probably Catholic arrogance but I had assumed that to become an Anglican you simply had to turn up at church. In fact, there seems to be a rigorous induction process and of course that seems obvious when you think about it!

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Saturday, 7. November 2009, 23:26
By the way, it's probably Catholic arrogance but I had assumed that to become an Anglican you simply had to turn up at church. In fact, there seems to be a rigorous induction process and of course that seems obvious when you think about it!
Catholic arrogance from you of all people, John. I like it!

To become a member of the Church of England, a person has to be confirmed. My husband's two aunts attended a Baptist Church in childhood, remained believing Christians during their adult lives, but were not attached to any particular church. In their sixties they were both widowed, took up residence together in a very remote village, and took to going to church. They decided to be members, and had to attend a course prior to confirmation. I am not sure how much they learned. When I joked that I thanks to their fund raising, their parish church would be in good order once it was returned to us, they said it had never been ours, it had always been Church of England. It was built in the fourteenth century!

The church the ladies attended was far from Anglo Catholic, but one of the aunts had rosary beads, and her walls were festooned with religious pictures. She was a great admirer of Pope Benedict. When she knew her death was nigh I was honoured to receive a request to visit to read the prayers for the dying, privately - just Auntie, her nephew (to whom I am married) and me.
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