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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 13:39 (223 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 13:39 Post #1 |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 13:54 Post #2 |
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Rose wrote previously: "Initially there was one aspect, that of laity deciding to take the degree. The email announcing the course did not specify roles for which the degree would be advantageous. That is my initial approach in a nutshell." So off we go? I will try to prepare from memory a list of the various duties undertaken where I am. But in the meantime would prefer others to test that water first (smile) PJD |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 15:47 Post #3 |
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Aimed at people already active in their parishes or places of work. That suggests that the aim is to have people taking up leadership positions in the parishes where they live. What about the 18 year old, who is interested in taking the degree with an aim to serving as an adult, in the future? It may be that a small parish that could do with a lay pastoral leader has no suitable person who is free to take up the role, and a nearby large parish could supply us. If our rural community is to have a qualified lay pastoral worker I personally would prefer it the role is filled from outside. |
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| Deacon Robert | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 19:36 Post #4 |
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Rose this looks like the course outline for a Pastoral administrator. A priest or a Deacon is already trained in this along with more specialized studies. As to who needs it. In the US, it would be a layperson who is put in charge of the day to day running of a "priestless parish" where a Deacon or religious is not available. In truth there are no "priestless parishes" it refers to a parish that is pastored by a non resident priest. |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 19:40 Post #5 |
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Whilst considering a list of jobs done where I am, there is no point in typing them all out because none of them appear to come under degree category. Even those specialized e.g. doing the accounts, getting quotes for work to be done in the parish - they all fall really under that of secular trades As for pastoral assistent. You would still have to breakdown it into its separate functions. PJD |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 19:49 Post #6 |
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Task for you Rose - I tried - I failed. Find out what the fees are. PJD |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 20:47 Post #7 |
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Fees http://www.heythrop.ac.uk/index.php/content/view/109/120/ |
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| PJD | Wednesday, 3. June 2009, 21:23 Post #8 |
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Thank you 'Rose. I give you your due you are better at finding things than I am. £500 I gather. PJD |
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| Alan | Thursday, 4. June 2009, 00:33 Post #9 |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 6. June 2009, 15:00 Post #10 |
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I forsee that lay parishioners' gifts and talents will be utilised, but only if the qualified person chooses them.
Yes, but they might be put on a rota. Mrs A, commit yourself to Monday, Mr B, you will be on prayer duty on Tuesday.
Probably, but they may be told exactly how to do the job. Layout designed by the person who is qualified in these matters.
I have experienced such a situation. One person simply stepped into every role that was vacated through others moving house, dying, or a change of circumstances making it imperative they give up some task. Eventually some parishioners perceived that person to be some sort of parish manager, which she was not. There was a change of priests, the new one got close to cracking up, because it was made very clear to him that he was a stranger to the community and the town, and his input was not needed.
"Its aim is to give adults who want to serve the Church the resources and skills they need in order to make a difference. " If they WANT let them pay. Who will be the beneficiari(es), the parish or the individual. If we are to have parish managers, I would prefer them to be from another parish, to be seen as staff subject to authority, not elite members of the community. The day we have fellow parishioners taking charge, the person who does the rotas or organises the coffee might feel as though they are going to work, not just giving a hand. Rural communities without resident priests could end up in peril, unless each role is filled by a person with the right attitude. Top priority - humility. |
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| PJD | Saturday, 6. June 2009, 15:44 Post #11 |
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"I do not think the FDPM has any place in the Catholic Church." Inclined to agree. It will probably prove to be a damp squib in the general sense; perhaps useful in a minority of communities - and that's all. Let us make it clear that the ordained ministry cannot be anything but essential whatever initiatives are put into hand. The congregation will always cling to them in the sense that lay is lay, ordained is ordained. Such as it is and should be regarded as such. PJD |
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