Non Catholic clergy in the sanctuary

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Non Catholic clergy in the sanctuary; Concelebration by Catholic and Anglican ~ is it valid?;
Topic Started: Friday, 19. September 2008, 22:42 (1,018 Views)
Rose of York	Friday, 19. September 2008, 22:42 Post #1
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Are non Catholic clergy ever allowed in the sanctuary, wearing vestments, during Mass? I do not mean taking an active part, I mean just being in the sanctuary. I have seen one, from the Community of the Resurrection ("Anglo Catholic"), he was at the side of the sanctuary during a Requiem Mass, fully vested.
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Derekap	Saturday, 20. September 2008, 10:47 Post #2
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Was he wearing a chasuble or just a Cotta and Cassock?
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Rose of York	Saturday, 20. September 2008, 12:12 Post #3
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Derek, it was quite some time ago. I think he was wearing cassock and cotta, and possibly a stole. The Community of the Resurrection are rather "correct". The Mass was concelebrated by five priests. The Anglican took no active part. Edited by Rose of York, Saturday, 20. September 2008, 12:14.
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Deleted User	Saturday, 20. September 2008, 17:16 Post #4
Deleted User	Rose of York Saturday, 20. September 2008, 12:12 Derek, it was quite some time ago. I think he was wearing cassock and cotta, and possibly a stole. The Community of the Resurrection are rather "correct". The Mass was concelebrated by five priests. The Anglican took no active part. During Mass, only the Priests etc and servers can enter the sanctuary, and wear vestments. Otherwise it would cause scandal.
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PJD	Sunday, 21. September 2008, 16:30 Post #5
Posts: 2,416 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	I have seen it only once in about the last 10 years - as per Rose's example - but no vestments, just clerical collar and seated at the very side almost out of sight for some. PJD



Timothy	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 00:28 Post #6
Posts: 299 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: May 1, 2007	I have been to a mass where an Anglican priest read the gospel and gave the homily.
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Rose of York	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 00:56 Post #7
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Timothy Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 00:28 I have been to a mass where an Anglican priest read the gospel and gave the homily. If he can, why can't you or I? Not that I want to, but he is no more validly ordained clergy than I am.
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Rose of York	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 01:02 Post #8
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Timothy Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 00:28 I have been to a mass where an Anglican priest read the gospel and gave the homily. Our parish has an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion who adminsters Communion in the Catholic Church, then drives off to preach in the Anglican church. We live in strange times.
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John Sweeney	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 11:02 Post #9
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	I have been to several Masses where clergyman of other denominations have read and delivered the homily. Usually this coincided with the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity although I can see that a Requiem Mass would also be a very appropriate place for this to happen. For my part, I am always pleased to see this. First , because I think it demonstrates an openness to other views and second because almost always I find the style of preaching to be quite refreshing in its style, variety being the spice of life. John



Paduan	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 11:33 Post #10
Posts: 205 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: December 2, 2007	My PP attended an Anglican ordination in cassock and cope and sat in choir. He didn't participate in the 'laying on of hands' though - despite a great deal of pressure from the local Anglicans! Since many of our churches don't have a 'choir' area, I guess the only place for a visiting minister from another denomination can sit if they're to have a 'place of respect' IS the sanctuary - if only because it's a bit awkward for ecumenical relations to deposit them in the congregation. I would say it's a reasonable compromise is sitting at the side of the sanctuary, treating it as 'in choir' for all practical purposes. We had a local Anglican minister speaking at the Christian Unity week service - but that wasn't a Mass and it was a sermon and not a homily. I think - although I am willing to be corrected - that it's possible that you can have both at a Mass and likewise that a Mass (other than Sunday) need not have a homily. By that logic, where the non-Catholic minister 'preached' it might not have been an actual homily at all. Incidentally, I've done a "homily" once... it was at a Service of the Word and Holy Communion though and it was called a Reflection (as per the rules). Despite clearing every word with my PP beforehand, it still scared the pants off me!
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John Sweeney	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 14:03 Post #11
Posts: 1,834 Group: Members Member #68 Joined: March 20, 2007	I must say I didn't realise there was a difference in definition between sermon and homily. What is it please? John



Paduan	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 18:23 Post #12
Posts: 205 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: December 2, 2007	I understand a homily to be specifically teaching focused on the Gospel and scripture readings proper to the day. A sermon would be a wider talk with a moral 'underpinning', not necessarily based around specific readings of the day. There's crossover, but they are, to the best of my knowledge, distinct concepts. Again, I stand (sit? type?) ready to be corrected!
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Derekap	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 19:04 Post #13
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Paduan: "it still scared the pants off me!" Metaphorically not literally, I hope!"
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PJD	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 19:17 Post #14
Posts: 2,416 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	I understand a homily to be specifically teaching focused on the Gospel and scripture readings proper to the day. A sermon would be a wider talk with a moral 'underpinning', not necessarily based around specific readings of the day. There's crossover, but they are, to the best of my knowledge, distinct concepts. Didn't know that - thanks Paduan PJD



Rose of York	Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 19:43 Post #15
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Paduan Tuesday, 30. September 2008, 18:23 I understand a homily to be specifically teaching focused on the Gospel and scripture readings proper to the day. A sermon would be a wider talk with a moral 'underpinning', not necessarily based around specific readings of the day. There's crossover, but they are, to the best of my knowledge, distinct concepts. Again, I stand (sit? type?) ready to be corrected! I am confident Paduan is correct. The danger of homilies is, that some of them are mere commentaries on the readings, with no moral input. Did I really need to be told exactly how many (126) fish salting processing plants there were, on the shores of the Sea of Galilee in Jesus' day? Frankly, I would prefer a sermon on pride and humility, to the homily we had, in which a priest described in minute detail the philacteries (big hats with tassels) worn by Pharisees. We were told that, the more tassels, the more important the man, but nothing was said to us about our own need to avoid pride and pray for humility.
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