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| Topic Started: Friday, 2. January 2009, 13:47 (874 Views) | |
| Mairtin | Friday, 2. January 2009, 15:54 Post #16 |
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How am I moving the goalposts? You and Clare are insisting that anybody who is co-habiting is in a state of sin, I'm disagreeing with that and giving an example of a situation where I don't think one of the parties is in a state of mortal sin. Why don't you just explain how I'm wrong in that conclusion? |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 2. January 2009, 17:58 Post #17 |
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Hang on there, if two parishioners are living together, unwed, how do the other parishioners know the pair are sinning? Have we got around to fitting them with sexometers, so we can record what they do and when? "Bless me Father that couple two doors from me have sinned. They have broken the sixth commandment ten times since my last confession." Spare us from parish gossips who have nothing better to do that observe who does and who does not receive Holy Communion. |
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| PJD | Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:21 Post #18 |
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"Hang on there, if two parishioners are living together, unwed, how do the other parishioners know the pair are sinning?" You don't unless you are an angel flitting around the house. And even then Angels would not....... PJD |
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| Angus Toanimo | Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:32 Post #19 |
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From Mairtin's post:
Now perhaps you'll see what I'm getting at and give a less facetious reply?
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| Rose of York | Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:40 Post #20 |
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Patrick my reply was not facetious. We often read, on forums, condemnations of people who are known to be living together and have been seen receiving Holy Communion. We should have better things to think of at Communion time, than other peoples' perceived sins. My post was not about what Martin had written about one particular priest. |
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| Angus Toanimo | Friday, 2. January 2009, 18:46 Post #21 |
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Sorry, Rose. But my post was concerned with that one case that Mairtin referred to, where the cohabitee is receiving Holy Communion from a priest who, with it being public knowledge, still administers Holy Communion to that person. Obviously, at Communion we have far better things that should occupy our minds, but outside of which, and of Mass, the matter needs addressing. |
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| Mairtin | Friday, 2. January 2009, 21:36 Post #22 |
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But I didn't say anything about the priest's knowledge of the couple's sexual activities (if any). Your argument was based on the assumption that co-habiting = having sex = mortal sin |
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| Derekap | Friday, 2. January 2009, 22:44 Post #23 |
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Regular and open giving of Holy Communion to a couple who are committing a sin is one thing. There can be spontaneous occasions where to refuse publicly could cause a disturbing scene which would be very unpleasant and certainly irreverend. In the best sense the communicant could have been to Confession and made peace with Almighty God. In the worst, to a great extent, it is up to the individual communicant. |
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| Clare | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:35 Post #24 |
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No, the priest is not permitted to act on any knowledge gleaned from confession outside of the confession. He would not even be allowed to change a bottle of altar wine if someone had confessed to putting poison in it. He should not even lock his door, if he doesn't usually, after a housekeeper confesses stealing from his room. And he can't refuse to give communion to a sinner whose sin is not in the public domain. |
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| Clare | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:38 Post #25 |
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I know well what the three conditions are. Such a case as you mention is presumably rare. Or should we assume that all cohabitees who receive Communion are in violent relationships? |
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| Clare | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:42 Post #26 |
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I would agree that subjectively one of them is not in mortal sin. But, as I asked before, am I to conclude that any cohabitee going to Communion is in such a situation? And what if the other party - the guilty one - also goes to Communion?? |
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| Emee | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:43 Post #27 |
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Ah but Clare would he be knowingly committing murder if he didn't change the altar wine, thereby falling prey to a greater mortal sin? Sorry, just me going off on a tangent that's all... |
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| Clare | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:45 Post #28 |
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Well, when they produce children every 18 months, it's a good guide! Besides, except in some circumstances, the Church forbids couples to cohabit even platonically. |
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| Clare | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:48 Post #29 |
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No he wouldn't. Confessional knowledge is effectively for God, not for the priest. That's why he can't give anything away even in court. He does not "know" it himself, as far as anyone else is concerned. It must be an enormous burden. |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 2. January 2009, 23:48 Post #30 |
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You should conclude nothing. Judgement of their sins is for God, and if they confess those sins, between themselves and their confessor. A person related to me lived with his girl friend before marriage. He says they were celibate. I have no reason to doubt him. |
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