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Topic Started: Friday, 2. January 2009, 13:47 (865 Views)
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Two points occur to me.

Suppose the couple concerned are living happily as man and wife. If we step back from our ingrained positions, what difference does a marriage ceremony make?

Does Almighty God require a civil ceremony to determine that people are people of good faith?


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John Sweeney
Sunday, 10. May 2009, 22:25
Two points occur to me.

Suppose the couple concerned are living happily as man and wife. If we step back from our ingrained positions,

Does Almighty God require a civil ceremony to determine that people are people of good faith?


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John I have held back from asking these questions. Do you agree with anything the Catholic Church teaches? Are you aware this is a Catholic forum? We are here to encourage each other in our Catholicism, not to knock Church teaching.

Matrimony is a sacrament ordained by Jesus Christ.

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what difference does a marriage ceremony make?

The sacrament is a public declaration of lifelong commitment. Solemn vows are made in the House of God. There is more to a wedding than the gowns, the meal, the photographs and the honeymoon suite.

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Does Almighty God require a civil ceremony to determine that people are people of good faith?
Nobody mentioned civil ceremonies. Catholics are required to marry according to Church law, the civil law is a matter for Government. When times are tough we married people can look back on our wedding days and remember that beautiful moment when the other person promised to love and to cherish until death do us part, then we remember, it works both ways.
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I don't think you have answered the question Rose. What difference preciselydoes the marriage ceremony make if a strong commitment already exists?

I do believe many things that the Catholic church teaches and I am a bit disappointed that you should have to ask that. However, I have no time for slavish devotion that will not ask hard questions--what sort of Faith is that?

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John I was editing my post while you did yours. I was adding to it.

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I do believe many things that the Catholic church teaches (John Sweeny)

So did Martin Luther, so do many Protestants, Jews, etc etc etc etc.

So do "pick and mix" Catholics

So do those looking for what suits them

CATHOLICS BELIEVE IN THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH
including those teachings that they do not like.
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Does Almighty God require a civil ceremony to determine that people are people of good faith?

No, in this case, it requires a Sacrament. The Catechism is quite clear. Question it, of course we may, but that doesn't change it.
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Joe , if you are going to preach you should at least have the courtesy to spell names correctly. In any case your assertions are wrong.

Mrs P., even if you don't question it, what are the reasons behind you accepting it? Why is a union freely entered into it less valid than one where a priest has pronounced on it?

I accept your central premise that we should obey the rules even if we believe them to be wrong.

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John Sweeney
Sunday, 10. May 2009, 23:10
Mrs P., even if you don't question it, what are the reasons behind you accepting it?
Because I trust in the teachings of the Church, and until the Pope says we don't need the sacrament of marriage to make it valid ( :pigfly: ), then I will carry on accepting it!
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Sorry. Here is the E


No . It is all or nothing,, this the Catholic Church we are talking about.

No "Pick and Mix"
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The E???
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Well I did write Sweeny...............................and you reprimanded me not spelling names right, so I returned the E that I had mistakenly dropped.
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Ah right, and my reprimand was petty and I hope you will allow me to withdraw it with apologies.

My point is that it is urely not enough to accept things without thinking about them. Why does the marriage ceremony make a difference to an existing long term relationship? The Church says it does but I think many catholics have their doubts.

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He who says marriage is only a piece of paper, and sets out to live with a woman, unwed, and father her children, learns the value of that piece of paper when she leaves him and takes the children with her. She CHOSE not to have the legal protection of a marriage certificate.

She who says marriage is only a piece of paper, and sets out to live with a man, unwed, and bear his children, learns the value of that bit of paper when he leaves her and she learns that she does not have the same legal rights as a married woman. She CHOSE not to have the legal protection of a marriage certificate.

With good reason The Church decrees that marriage be formalised.
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John Sweeney
Sunday, 10. May 2009, 22:43
I don't think you have answered the question Rose. What difference preciselydoes the marriage ceremony make if a strong commitment already exists?
Public proof of the commitment having been made.

Or would you argue that cohabitation and a physical relationship are enough for a relationship to become indissoluble?

Imagine the implications if that were so!
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A couple co-habit, they think their commitment will last. They have a baby. Eight years later the relationship hits a difficult patch, the father leaves to cohabit with a new partner, who bears his child. He leaves that woman. Fifteen years later a couple meet, fall in love, they agree to cohabit in a commited relationship. They raise a family, unaware of their blood relationship. Years later they discover they are half sister and brother.

When you marry you know who you are getting, because both must produce their birth certificates. Is that not a good argument for the formalising of marriage, for all including atheists.
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