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| Topic Started: Friday, 2. January 2009, 13:47 (866 Views) | |
| Mairtin | Saturday, 10. January 2009, 11:24 Post #136 |
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I know it's easy for me to speak, Rose, not having the hard work to do, but some of those diversions turned into useful topics on their own. OK, maybe not the one about Laurel & Hardy and Morecombe & Wise ....
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| Mrs.Pogle | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:00 Post #137 |
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Is it ever acceptable for a Priest to give Holy Communion to Catholic he knows is living with someone as man and wife, but not married? Thanks, Mrs.P xx |
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| Deleted User | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:17 Post #138 |
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Mrs P, you have opened a real can of worms there My answer would be Objectively - No is he certain they are in a sinful relationship?In fact, the couple,knowing they are "living in sin" and not in a celibate relationship, should not present themselves for Communion KatyA |
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| Mrs.Pogle | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:25 Post #139 |
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Yes, the person in question does not hide the fact they are living together as man and wife, and they have a child. Edited by Mrs.Pogle, Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:48.
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| Clare | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:45 Post #140 |
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Only if it's not public knowledge that they're living in sin, I reckon. |
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| Mrs.Pogle | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:49 Post #141 |
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So, just to clarify. If a person becomes a Catholic whilst in this situation, would that mean they would then have to either marry, or live celibately, in order not to be in a state of mortal sin? What should the Church advise in this situation? If the person's priest, knowing of the sexual relationship, still offers Holy Communion, is he then putting their soul in danger? |
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| Clare | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 16:56 Post #142 |
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They would have to live as brother and sister until they marry.
Not just that, he's causing scandal. He's giving everyone else, who's aware of the situation, the impression that it is not sinful. |
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| Deleted User | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 17:10 Post #143 |
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I think they would have to "regularise" their situation by marrying or living celibately. While they remain in an "irregular" non-celibate relationship, they should not receive Holy Communion. It is not the priest's fault, Holy Communion is not offered, but received. All the priest can do is ensure that they are aware of Church teaching with regard to sexual relationships. If, in full knowledge of that, they continue to present themselves for Communion, the responsibility is theirs. If the situation is generally known, the priest has to bear in mind the possibility of scandal and may feel justified in refusing Holy Communion for that reason. He is unlikely to do so because in such cases there is only the assumption of a continuing sexual relationship ( OK so I know we're 99.9% sure but there's always the chance they've been celibate since their last confession). KatyA PS Just remembered 2 pieces from Fr Ray Blakes blog which may help http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2009/02/no-you-will-not-be-excommunicated-but.html http://marymagdalen.blogspot.com/2008/09/hero-of-eucharist.html |
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| Clare | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 17:20 Post #144 |
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Fr Heribert Jone, Moral Theology (as ever!):
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| Deleted User | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 19:43 Post #145 |
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Clare .. wait for it and hold your breath but... I agree with all you have said on this subject and can see nothing further to contribute to this thread. You are spot on.
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| Mrs.Pogle | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 20:46 Post #146 |
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Thank you all for your helpful replies which will enable me to repond to someone now! I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track
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| Derekap | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 22:16 Post #147 |
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I would say the priest is in a difficult dilema. If he doesn't refuse he could be considered as "approving" if he refuses there could be a confrontation which could cause a disturbance. |
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| Powerofone | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 22:18 Post #148 |
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"A public sinner must always be refused the Sacraments, whether he wishes to receive them publicly or secretly... Exception is always made for the Sacrament of penance" Would an exception not be made also for the Sacrament of the Sick? Or must the Sacrament of penance necessarily preceed it? Even at the point of death? |
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| JRJ | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 03:55 Post #149 |
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I have known a Priest who took care of this situation by sitting down in a private meeting with the folks in question. I knew the couple and they shared their experience with me. Father explained Church teaching, including the words of Jesus, the relevant sections of the Catechism and gave instructions on how to remedy the situation. Presto, no need for a public confrontation. |
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| Bob Crowley | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 07:00 Post #150 |
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I'd say it would be common around Easter and Christmas when a whole bunch of nominal Catholics turn up when they don't show the rest of the year, and the priest and servers wouldn't even know them. You could be pretty sure that there'd be some "partners" amongst them. But then I wonder how many of us here have accepted communion at some time with more than a vague hint of some mortal unconfessed sin lying uneasily on our conscience? |
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is he certain they are in a sinful relationship?
9:20 AM Jul 11