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| Topic Started: Friday, 8. May 2009, 19:50 (581 Views) | |
| Deleted User | Friday, 8. May 2009, 19:50 Post #1 |
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Countercultural Father links to this article from The Australian which begins
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| CARLO | Friday, 8. May 2009, 20:00 Post #2 |
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He DOES use the term 'totalitarian' lightly! Salva nos Save us CARLO Edited by CARLO, Friday, 8. May 2009, 20:00.
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| OsullivanB | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 02:28 Post #3 |
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A deceptive phrase - at first glance it actually seems to mean something. |
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| Clare | Saturday, 9. May 2009, 09:52 Post #4 |
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You may scoff now, but the writer is quite correct. This police here are getting very good at straining at gnats and swallowing camels. We are on a trajectory to totalitarianism, and it's delusional to think otherwise. |
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| JRJ | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 03:39 Post #5 |
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Welcome to the party. Many in the US are appalled by our hastening march to more and more and more government debt, spending and control of every aspect of life. Eek! I thank God for a busy family life and learning to grow vegetables and compost with worms (yuck). |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 09:15 Post #6 |
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Wikepedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a concept used to describe political systems whereby a state regulates nearly every aspect of public and private life. Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism. |
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| Quicunque vult | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 10:01 Post #7 |
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Except for the single party and state terrorism, most of the elements in that definition are in place or well on their way. It will not be long before teaching some parts of the Catechism becomes a criminal offence. The more the state purports to assume responsibility for things that properly fall to the individual, families and the Church, the more immoral, corrupt and dysfunctional society becomes. QV |
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| Bob Crowley | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 12:59 Post #8 |
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Coming from a former Protestant background, where they go into stuff like the Mark of the Beast, 666 and all that, I nevertheless believe we live in the age of the anti-Christ, and for my money I think he'll be an American politician. Even my old pastor thought so, and he wasn't much into last-days stuff, finding a lot of it a bit weird. Usually when he tried to track down these rumours, he found they fizzled out into nothing. I suspect nuclear war and / or nuclear terrorism may be the touch stone which panics people into accepting totalitarian rule. The technology is certainly there - imagine Adolf Hitler with today's technology at his fingertips - infrared sights which see through walls, night vision, satellites which can read number plates, microchips which can be planted in your car and followed from a distance, all mobile phones currently monitored unless you have very expensive apparatus, chips which can be implanted in you and read from a distance, bank accounts which can be closed electonically, GPS accurate to a few centimetres, and I suspect, a USA which already has an effective star wars shield and is therefore pretty much immune to outside attack. All it would need is the elimination of cash and a cashless society, and we're rapidly moving towards that. |
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| Fortunatus | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 14:55 Post #9 |
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I suppose it was always inevitable that the Australians would identify this before we saw it ourselves though some of us (not given to scaremongering, unlike our "leaders") have been pointing out for years the route that we are going down. A country where it is illegal to take photographs of police officers or aeroplanes or trains. A country where you can be arrested under anti-terror legislation for reading out the names of war casualties. A country where it is forbidden to hold a public meeting within half-a-mile of the country's parliament (a piece of spiteful legislation which singularly failed due to bad drafting to deal with the one individual it was aimed at, which is itself symptomatic of a government to whom the concept of civil liberty is a mystery). A country where antii-terror legislation can be used to spy on law-abiding citizens who "cheat" by not obeying non-legislative diktats of local councils. A country where you can be fined if you have to much rubbish in your dustbin or it's in the wrong place or put out too early or too late or any other reason why. A country where the government can promise a referendum and then withdraw the promise on spurious grounds when it realises the people will give the "wrong" answer. A country where politicians believe that anything they choose to do in their private or personal lives is OK but the rest of us have to be under almost constant electronic surveillance. A country where we are told that "if we have nothing to hide we have nothing to fear", the war cry of the tyrant throughout history. A country where the state can kidnap the elderly if they believe that we, their husbands, wives, sons and daughters are not able to look after them "properly" (they defining of course what "properly" means). And as a consequence (though the details have yet to be determined) can drive a man to the point where is desperate enough to get himself shot rather than see his wife take into a care home. A country where the police are in imminent danger of getting beyond the control of the public that they are meant to serve and where public servants who until recently we have paid to put their lives on the line when necessary — police, firemen, ambulance crews even — will sooner let members of the public die than risk their own necks, and be supported by their superiors for their behaviour. Would you like me to go on? There are several pages yet if you want them. Of course we are heading down the route towards a totalitarian state buttressed by the inane and insane ostrich-like mantra "it could never happen here." Don't you believe it. |
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| Rose of York | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 15:59 Post #10 |
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I'll save you a bit of work. A country where, despite parental or guardian's authority is required for medical treatment, doctors must not reveal to parents, that their child has had an abortion or is being prescribed contraceptives. A country where grandparents are bound by law to notify the authorities if their grandchildren stay with them for more than a specific number of days (I think it is fourteen). A country where grandparents who have no mental illness or criminal record, face months of vetting before receiving permission to give their orphaned grandchildren a permanent home. |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 16:21 Post #11 |
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Do you have a reference for that proposition, Rose? The nearest thing to it that I am aware of is that when a child is to live with and to be cared for, for a period of more than 28 days, by a person who is not a parent or relative or a person with parental responsibility, then the local authority must be notified. This would not be relevant to grandparents. |
| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 16:24 Post #12 |
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While I can see that if the grandparents wanted to adopt, this might be so, I can't see what would prevent the grandparents simply looking after their grandchildren, unless there were some unusual factors. Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 10. May 2009, 16:26.
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 17:02 Post #13 |
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Parental authority is only required where the child is not considered competent to give consent. Where parental authority is required there are no confidentiality issues. Where the child is competent to consent to treatment him/herself, then (s)he is also entitled to confidentiality. Had Victoria Gillick not tried to improve the law in the 1980s it might not have deteriorated to its present state. Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 10. May 2009, 17:04.
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| OsullivanB | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 17:03 Post #14 |
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Edited by OsullivanB, Sunday, 10. May 2009, 17:03.
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| "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer | |
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| Deleted User | Sunday, 10. May 2009, 22:19 Post #15 |
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This is all the stuff of crazy right wing crackpots rather than the sober discussion worthy of a Catholic forum. Yes , it is right to be on the lookout for overbearing Government but it is very wrong to describe democratic governments unfairly as despots. All that does is play into the hands of extremists of all types. The UK is one of the most democratic , open and fair governments in the world and I venture to suggest that the USA is right up there too. So is Ireland. Just have some sympathy for democratically elected politicians wrestling with very difficult problems and forget all the Kansas survivalist foaming mouth rhetoric. John |
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