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When Is A Protestant Not A Protestant?
Topic Started: Friday, 7. September 2007, 16:44 (760 Views)
CARLO
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OsullivanB
Thursday, 30. April 2009, 21:02
But come the general resurrection...
:smoke: Yes I know - body and soul!

As pre-V2 schoolchildren the Sisters walked us through the local cemetery telling us that on the Last Day "This is where Jesus will appear and everyone will rise up from these graves!"

I gave the cemetery a wide berth for a while after that - just in case any of the deceased decided to 'rise early' !!

Salva nos
Save us!


CARLO

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Bob Crowley

OsullivanB
Thursday, 30. April 2009, 13:17
I doubt I shall be taking up that book recommendation Bob. I see it is published by Amer Atheist Press. I don't know the publishing house, but it doesn't sound like a source of spiritual enlightenment.
It is currently published by atheists for the obvious reason that they can use it to debunk Christianity, particularly Protestantism. Since it quotes other historians, I fail to see the reason why it should not be trustworthy, regardless of who is currently printing it. If a Western capitalistic publisher published Karl Marx's "Das Kapital", would that make the publisher a communist, or the book questionable?

However it was originally published in 1945 (it's not new) in London and New York by Hutchinson and Co. It was not written at the time in the interests of atheism, but to express the author's view of Luther's influence on German thought and the state, just at the end of World War II.

William Shirer was an American protestant (as he clearly states when discussing Luther) and journalist who wrote "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". I haven't got the text here, since my old copy disintegrated years ago, but he made comments in his book that if he had to credit the influence of an evil genius to the German frame of mind which led to Nazi totalitarianism, he would have nominated Martin Luther.
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OsullivanB

Thank you for the further information Bob. I accept that the source of a book does not necessarily invalidate its contents. But, to take your example, Hutchinson do not have any agenda other than making a profit so far as I am aware, and Amer plainly does. As for William Shirer, I have read some of his work. He would not be my most trusted source for information about the matters of which he writes.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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tomais

Yes.
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William makes his point well. I would wish to add only that South Wales. particularly Monmouthshire, also played its full part in recusant history.

John
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Bob Crowley

OsullivanB
Friday, 1. May 2009, 16:40
Thank you for the further information Bob. I accept that the source of a book does not necessarily invalidate its contents. But, to take your example, Hutchinson do not have any agenda other than making a profit so far as I am aware, and Amer plainly does. As for William Shirer, I have read some of his work. He would not be my most trusted source for information about the matters of which he writes.
I'd suggest you just go and read it rather than arguing about whether you think it will be trustworthy or not before you've even opened the first page.
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OsullivanB

When I find a copy, I will. It's too expensive for me to buy on a speculative basis.
Meanwhile I have two whole shelves of unread books relating to my own faith written by people with good credentials.
Edited by OsullivanB, Saturday, 2. May 2009, 12:16.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer
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PJD


Same here OsB.

As a priest once said to me - 'you can't read everything and neither should you try'.

PJUD
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pete

There’s no doubt that some protestant denominations are Christian, however as there are now over 35.000 of them, the majority are nothing more than money making businesses fleecing the vulnerable. The most distressing and popular are the Jehovah Witnesses, who have altered scripture in order to deny the Divinity of Christ, they preach that Christ was the Archangel Michael; therefore J.W.’s are defiantly not Christian.
The C. Of E. I believe to be Christian but lack authority and guidance which only the true Catholic Church has. They seem to disagree amongst themselves, with High Church and Low Church. The High Church of England seem to run in parallel with the Roman Catholic Church, in fact they call themselves Catholic but not Roman Catholic. Perhaps these so called Catholics are committing the greatest error, having already realised the legitimacy of the Church of Rome and still willing to remain separated from the Vicar of Christ. That’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
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pete
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 13:44

The C. Of E. I believe to be Christian but lack authority and guidance which only the true Catholic Church has. They seem to disagree amongst themselves, with High Church and Low Church. The High Church of England seem to run in parallel with the Roman Catholic Church, in fact they call themselves Catholic but not Roman Catholic. Perhaps these so called Catholics are committing the greatest error, having already realised the legitimacy of the Church of Rome and still willing to remain separated from the Vicar of Christ. That’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
:respect:

I have particular difficulty with certain High Anglicans who have high-jacked Walsingham. the others that anoy me are those who wax lirical about the venerable John Henry Newman but although the claim to great admirers of his teaching and quote his works fail to have the honesty to come the whole way as Newman did.





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I wouldn’t say that they have hijacked Walsingham Penfold, I would say the opposite. They have highlighted its Miriam importance by opening it up too all, bringing back pilgrims of both denominations, Protestant and Catholic alike. We shouldn’t knock them for that, if it were not for a certain High Church of England clergyman, Walsingham would have remained almost forgotten, I for one have much to thank him for.
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pete
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 20:11
I wouldn’t say that they have hijacked Walsingham Penfold, I would say the opposite. They have highlighted its Miriam importance by opening it up too all, bringing back pilgrims of both denominations, Protestant and Catholic alike. We shouldn’t knock them for that, if it were not for a certain High Church of England clergyman, Walsingham would have remained almost forgotten, I for one have much to thank him for.
Pete you are corect we do have much to thank the Rev Alfred Hope-Patten for.
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pete
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 13:44
There’s no doubt that some protestant denominations are Christian, however as there are now over 35.000 of them...
In America they have 35,000 religions and 2 cheeses.

In France they have 2 religions and 35,000 cheeses.

Sean
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SeanJ
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 23:07
pete
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 13:44
There’s no doubt that some protestant denominations are Christian, however as there are now over 35.000 of them...
In America they have 35,000 religions and 2 cheeses.

In France they have 2 religions and 35,000 cheeses.

Sean
:rofl:

But seriously, we in America have many cheeses now. Real cheese, not that awful square "American slices" stuff. Yech. The local market must have a display with fifteen feet of cold case full of different varieties. Thank goodness for The Food Network :wink: .

Edited to say: Uh-oh - I am very :offtopic: , so now :topicbaack: .
Edited by JRJ, Sunday, 3. May 2009, 03:21.
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pete
Saturday, 2. May 2009, 13:44
There’s no doubt that some protestant denominations are Christian, however as there are now over 35.000 of them, the majority are nothing more than money making businesses fleecing the vulnerable.
There may be 35,000 protestant denominations, bear in mind some have only one building and one person calling himself Pastor.

The mainstream ones, Anglican, Episcopalian, Methodist, and a lot of others are open about financial matters. They register as charities and their accounts are available to the public on the Charities Commission website.


Keep the Faith!

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