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| Topic Started: Friday, 7. September 2007, 16:44 (763 Views) | |
| Colin2000 | Friday, 14. September 2007, 21:55 Post #76 |
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Hi PJD., This the nub of it isn't it. The Pope has total control over the policy of your own Priesthood which is right and fitting is it not. But he does not have authority or control over The Anglican Church or it's Priesthood. His Holiness's power and authority stops at the frontier of England. Not a problem because some one such as myself has now thought of myself being under his jurisdiction. There is one exception to date of course, here!!! .... As a Reformed Catholic I personally have a deep respect for His Holiness! I respect him as a man a priest and the first among equals amongst the Patriarchs at the Council table even if there is not much to see there at present! But at least they are talking to each other! Talking to us will be more difficult because you have moved the goal posts. But since we are not on the field playing the game well??? .... We can show Christian tolerance and love for each other because the game is stopped more or less permanently for a long while. 1. The Communion Tables are closed to each other, and rightly so. 2. The Priesthood is not united but broken originally by Pope Leo XIII. 3. We have opened our Priesthood to women! NB. It might be worth mentioning here that until Anglicanism can see it's way to Sacramental continuation of the Eucharist, The Supper is not an open invitation. I believe that that means more to you than to me! Yours in His Wonderful Name, Colin. |
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| PJD | Friday, 14. September 2007, 22:15 Post #77 |
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His Holiness's power and authority stops at the frontier of England. Not a problem because some one such as myself has now thought of myself being under his jurisdiction. There is one exception to date of course, here!!! .... Not exactly sure what you were asserting of yourself there. NB. It might be worth mentioning here that until Anglicanism can see it's way to Sacramental continuation of the Eucharist, The Supper is not an open invitation. I believe that that means more to you than to me! It's not more to one or the other but equal to both - so thus my reaction. PJD |
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| pete | Sunday, 16. September 2007, 12:45 Post #78 |
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Sorry I'm not up to date on this subject and I haven't the time to revise what has been said. I felt that I must leave this comment for you all to see, it's an extract from today's Saint, Saint Cornelius:- It seems fairly true to say that almost every possible false doctrine has been proposed at some time or other in the history of the Church. The third century saw the resolution of a problem we scarcely consider—the penance to be done before reconciliation with the Church after mortal sin. Men like Cornelius and Cyprian were God's instruments in helping the Church find a prudent path between extremes of rigorism and laxity. They are part of the Church's ever-living stream of tradition, ensuring the continuance of what was begun by Christ, and evaluating new experiences through the wisdom and experience of those who have gone before (Roliner). Quote: "There is one God and one Christ and but one episcopal chair, originally founded on Peter, by the Lord's authority. There cannot, therefore, be set up another altar or another priesthood. Whatever any man in his rage or rashness shall appoint, in defiance of the divine institution, must be a spurious, profane and sacrilegious ordinance" (St. Cyprian, The Unity of the Catholic Church). God bless Pete |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 24. September 2007, 01:29 Post #79 |
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Some posts from this thread, including two of my own, have been archived, they were taking the topic way off beam. Just in case members are looking at this thread for the first time: We are discussing Anglo Catholicism with our valued member Colin2000 who is an Anglo Catholic. The discussion is well worth reading, from the start. |
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| sumermamma | Wednesday, 26. September 2007, 21:07 Post #80 |
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Colin2006, Many of the nonConformists came to America. This has provided a very interesting and colorful religious history. sm |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 26. September 2007, 21:16 Post #81 |
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sumermamma, were those the first the Pilgrim Fathers, who set sail from Plymouth? |
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| paul | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 17:41 Post #82 |
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What is an Anglo Catholic? What is a reformed Catholic? Confused. paul |
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| Colin2000 | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 20:25 Post #83 |
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______________________________________________ Hi Paul, Confused. I know the feeling well! Anglo-catholic is an Anglican who gives you the idea he is more catholic than you are Paul! Born out of Cardinal Newman's dream of unity through return to Roman Catholicism. Example I had a friend on duty who dashed into Church on a Christmas Eve and missed his, yours, by one street. The comment was something like, "We don't do that anymore!" Smells and bells, Six Candle sticks on the Altar, reserved Sacrament! And you might just love it! Reformed Catholic is an Anglican who has Two Sacrament's only and the Altar is a table set for supper! Core belief's like the Thirty-nine Articles. Scripture contains all things necessary for Salvation. I include the Three Creeds rather than just Nicene! Justification by Faith Alone! Good works before worthless, good works afterwards necessary for a seat in the Marriage Feast but not request as part of Salvation. There are others and some not first order doctrines mainly to do with Applied Doctrine. The Christian Ethic! I must point out that this is me trying to remember it all as against your codified statements from The Council of Trent with Papal Interpretation! Yours in His Name, Colin. PS. Spell check is broken after swap from ie7 to FireFox. Does anybody know one that works on FireFox 2? |
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| Colin2000 | Sunday, 30. September 2007, 20:32 Post #84 |
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Hi SumerMamma, Missed yours sorry, Yes A lot of rather nasty persecution going on in England and later Scotland! You got them and a religious backbone of non-conformity was the result! Yours in His Name, Colin. |
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| paul | Monday, 1. October 2007, 20:59 Post #85 |
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Colin, thank you for that. Going back to an earlier comment of yours, do you believe God is in somebody who is in a state of mortal sin? Dominus vobiscum paul |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 1. October 2007, 21:17 Post #86 |
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Firefox has a "British English" dictionary as an add on https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:3 Scroll down to English (British) KatyA |
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 28. April 2009, 21:52 Post #87 |
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Clare wrote: "If it's error, it's not Christian. Protestant denominations teach error. They are not Christian. They were not founded by Christ. They were founded by men in opposition to the Church Our Lord founded." Even if Protestant Denominations are not Christian what are they - Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or what? They may teach error or avoid certain Doctrine the Catholic Church teaches. Surely Almighty God will not automatically condemn their adherents to Hell because they are not Catholics. There are many non-Catholics who, in their erroneous way, put Catholics to shame by their way of life. I also feel that some non-Catholics may well have been discouraged by the way of life of some Catholics. At least a few of hymns composed by non-Catholics express a very deep Christian Faith. On Sunday in our church we sang "O Lord my God how I in awesome wonder". Was it composed by a Catholic? I probably upset nearby people with my singing voice but I couldn't help singing it as enthusiastically as possible - every line is so expressive. I suppose, Clare, you will say I have committed a Mortal Sin and above all in a Catholic Church and during Holy Mass. Probably I even deserve excommunication. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 28. April 2009, 22:31 Post #88 |
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Clare, you are very good at disagreeing with Popes. Pope Benedict has referred to other denominations as other Christian denominations. Have you considered applying for a private audience so you can put him right?
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| Clare | Wednesday, 29. April 2009, 14:28 Post #89 |
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Does every heresy have to fall under one of those religions?
Did I say anything about their adherents? I was talking objectively again. Those denominations are condemned, whether or not people who adhere to them in good faith are.
I know. That is beside the point. They would be even better if they were Catholic.
Again, that is beside the point. They would be even worse if they weren't Catholic.
Stop supposing, Derek. This is old ground. My mum likes that hymn too by the way. I don't rate it that highly! And I love a lot of Protestant hymns. |
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| Clare | Wednesday, 29. April 2009, 14:29 Post #90 |
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Recent popes are also very good at disagreeing with plenty of their predecessors. And I'm sure you disagree with a fair few of them too, Rose. Is it only the reigning one who can never be wrong? Edited by Clare, Wednesday, 29. April 2009, 14:30.
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