Holy Communion In The Hand & under both kinds

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Holy Communion In The Hand & under both kinds
Topic Started: Wednesday, 20. February 2008, 10:55 (1,861 Views)
JRJ	Saturday, 13. June 2009, 14:42 Post #226
Posts: 591 Group: Members Member #117 Joined: December 5, 2007	Penfold Saturday, 13. June 2009, 13:58 If your symptoms are mild or unnoticed then you may find that the people in the pews around you are far more likely to catch the illness by sitting next to you or sharing the sign of peace than by sharing the Body & Blood of Christ. This was the decision of the Bishop and Priest in our old Parish, which we visited recently. A lot of parishioners are military and in and out of the country on a regular basis, making trips to various parts of the world. Just before the Liturgy of the Eucharist, Father made a brief announcement that Holy Communion would be under one species and the Sign of Peace would be omitted, explaining that many parishioners travel extensively for work. I'm sure that got some smiles from our Marines . This isn't new for us. Bad "regular" flu seasons have brought on similar proscriptions in the past.
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Deleted User	Saturday, 13. June 2009, 14:56 Post #227
Deleted User	Thanks for that Jennifer. Plymouth certainly has a proud link to the marines and I am pleased that their health is being taken seriously. Most military personnel are well vaccinated though, I had an Anthrax booster only yesterday, so I am still concerned as to the scientific basis for the Bishops decision, if indeed it was the bishop’s decision. As a chaplain to the armed forces I would have expected that if there were a justified concern we would have been advised as we do have a lot more bases than Plymouth.
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Derekap	Saturday, 13. June 2009, 16:59 Post #228
Posts: 3,357 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	I think placing the Host in the hand or on the tongue is equally dangerous if you think deeply into the possibilities. BUT whilst we fear now, we should look ahead to later in the year when past such epidemics have recurred more seriously. I am sure an occasional prayer is very strongly advisable particularly for those not in good health.
	Derekap


Deleted User	Saturday, 13. June 2009, 17:17 Post #229
Deleted User	Derekap I join you in prayer that this pandemic does not bring misery upon people in a more virulent form later in the year. I also pray for reason rather than hysteria guides our actions and precautions.
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CARLO	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 16:27 Post #230
Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	Any suggestion that the handshake of peace might be suspended to avoid passing infection will immediately put the hat on any proposal that communion on the tongue is suspended! You mark my words! Pax CARLO Edited by CARLO, Sunday, 14. June 2009, 16:27.
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JRJ	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 17:49 Post #231
Posts: 591 Group: Members Member #117 Joined: December 5, 2007	In the Parish I mentioned, while the Precious Blood was limited to the amount necessary to be consecrated for Mass, and consumed by Father, and the Sign of Peace omitted, no mention was made of how to receive Holy Communion and no one was refused for wanting to receive on the tongue.
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Rose of York	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 19:46 Post #232
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	It may be that the Bishop of Plymouth or his staff are following guidance from Jim McManus. is Joint Director of Public Health, Birmingham CIty Council and Birmingham PCTs and an advisor on public health care issues to the Bishops Conference of England and Wales. I would be inclined to take note of advice from a person in his position. Whatever the Vatican says, the situation and risks will vary from country to country, affected by climate, living conditions and health care, so they might, for all we know, leave it to the bishops of each country to make appropriate decisions. http://lancasterdiocese.org.uk/admin/Uploads/media/35/Influenza.pdf The Diocese of Lancaster has produced a document Quote: Sustaining Pastoral Presence Influenza Outbreaks Written with the mandate of Rt Revd Patrick O'Donohue Bishop of Lancaster The document is written by Jim McManus and Reverend Ncik Donnelly. Jim McManus is Joint Director of Public Health, Birmingham CIty Council and Birmingham PCTs and an advisor on public health care issues to the Bishops Conference of England and Wales Reverend Nick Donnelly is a permanent deacon of the Diocese of Lancaster and author of Pastoral Planning for a Flu Pandemic commissioned by Bishop Patrick O'Donohue (2006). It was recommended by the UK Government booklet, Flu Pandemic and Faith Communities (2008) http://lancasterdiocese.org.uk/admin/Uploads/media/35/Influenza.pdf
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Rose of York	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 19:53 Post #233
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion have posted that saliva gets onto fingers, then onto hosts. Influenza is spread by droplets of saliva, from people sneezing or kissing, so presumably it can be carried on fingers. I am married to a man who is highly susceptible to infections. If there is an epidemic we will avoid all crowded places. We even do that when colds are "going round".
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Deleted User	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 21:53 Post #234
Deleted User	April 2009 Sustaining Pastoral Presence: Influenza Outbreaks Key Information for Clergy, Chaplains, Pastoral Workers, and Extraordinary Ministers of Holy CommunionMr Jim McManus and Rev Nick Donnelly Quote: Specific Issues for Catholic Pastoral Practice At the time of writing there is no need to suspend the Liturgical life of your parish or community. Also, there is no need to suspend pastoral visits to hospitals and care homes unless you are instructed to by Government or health authorities. The following guidelines are for situations where you experience a major number of cases in your parish or local area: · It is important to re-inforce advice given by the Government that if parishioners feel unwell or suspect they may be coming down with an illness that they stay at home and contact the parish priest or members of the pastoral team by phone or reliable word of mouth. (They should also contact NHS Direct for advice). Also, those caring for the sick are best advised to stay at home to avoid them spreading the virus. · Giving communion from the chalice may need to cease because the risk of droplet spread is increased. Most of us know sharing chalice will not put us at risk of HIV, but it may not be safe for H1N1 which is much more easily spread. Only the celebrant should receive from the chalice, and not co-celebrants or deacons. · In a pandemic, situations where a minister may cross-contaminate others communion on the tongue should cease (e.g. communion on the tongue will probably infect the priest or minister’s fingers because the fingers are close enough for droplet spread to occur if someone has the virus even if they do not feel visibly wet. Communion on the hand during a local out break or a pandemic is essential. NB The following guidelines are for situations where you experience a major number of cases in your parish or local area: We have no outbreaks in our area and I have received no instructions. I do not underestimate the problem over 3,000 people die of flu in the UK every year but the main thrust of the document produced by the Lancaster Diocese is take sensible precautions. Be calm but vigilant. I pray for the repose of the soul of the poor person in Scotland and their family. The person had underlying health problems and thus I do understand your concerns Rose, and I pray for all who are in your precarious position. I always have anti bacterial gel in the sacristy and in my communion kit, I have done for years because I hate it when people lick my fingers when they receive communion and I would be the first to rejoice if the bizarre practice of putting communion into other people’s mouths was brought to an end. I also would ban women wearing lipstick from receiving from the chalice, except that my mother would never speak to me again. The Vatican scientists are far better qualified than a public health inspector whose MA is in theology and whose specialty, and the sphere in which he is worthy of respect is Psychology, if I were looking for advice on criminal behaviour or drugs or childcare he would be my man. I will take my advice from Rome and not Lancaster on how I distribute Holy Communion.
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Joe Valente	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 22:05 Post #235
Posts: 312 Group: Members Member #227 Joined: April 3, 2009	and I, as I have done for over 60 years, will continue to receive on my tongue, I have yet to hear of a priest (or EM) who contracted any illness from distributing Holy Communion.
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Rose of York	Sunday, 14. June 2009, 23:10 Post #236
Administrator Posts: 14,099 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Joe Valente Sunday, 14. June 2009, 22:05 I have yet to hear of a priest (or EM) who contracted any illness from distributing Holy Communion. How would they know? If, say, a priest or Extraordinary Minister had food poisoning, they would be asked if they had eaten anywhere but their own homes. How many would say "I distributed Holy Communion." The people who distribute Holy Communion are the ones most at risk in the event of any influenza epidemic, they are faced with all those people receiving, but we must not panic. Doctors face their patients, taxi drivers, shop staff, social services carers, all sorts of people are in contact with many people every day. What are we all to do, stop living? Crawl into bunkers? We are made of sterner stuff than that, though some individuals who are aware of underlying health problems must make their own informed decisions.
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CARLO	Monday, 22. June 2009, 18:16 Post #237
Posts: 1,648 Group: Members Member #27 Joined: September 28, 2006	Well I say........ Sunday AM To Mass at the Parish where my mother lives in another Diocese. Communion under both kinds has been 'suspended' because of the swine flu scare. So says the weekly Parish bulletin distributed at Mass but no authority is quoted for this action or statement. Communion on the tongue was happily being given. PM To Mass in my own Diocese. No such announcement has been made and it is 'business as usual'. When will we ever learn? I suppose everyone will do as they please and preach what they like on this subject and use the matter as a debating point for and against traditional liturgical practices. Twas ever thus! Miserere nobis Have mercy on us CARLO
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Derekap	Saturday, 18. July 2009, 10:55 Post #238
Posts: 3,357 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Last weekend's Catholic Times reported that the Archbishop of Malta and the Bishop of Gozo had instructed the clergy and EMsHC to place the Host in the hand, not on the tongue, of Communicants. Also reception of The Holy Blood should be by intinction, not drinking from the Chalice. Clergy and Ministers should wash their hands before and after distributing Holy Communion. Also whilst the Celebrant should drink from his Chalice co-celebrants should have another Chalice from which they should receive by intinction and the last priest to consume the remainder. This is of course because of Swine Fever. (I bow to a Moderator to transfer this item if they think it is in the wrong place) Edited by Derekap, Saturday, 18. July 2009, 10:58.
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Mrs.Pogle	Sunday, 19. July 2009, 10:20 Post #239
Happy Couple! Posts: 765 Group: Members Member #219 Joined: February 2, 2009	At the moment I am only receiving communion under one kind, in the hand, and I will tell my Priest I feel I can no longer be an EMofHC until I am sure the swine flu thing is under control. I am not panicking, just being sensible, especially as we have a 5mo baby in the house! I also take sanitising hand gel to Mass and use it after the peace! Edited by Mrs.Pogle, Sunday, 19. July 2009, 10:21.
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Patrick	Sunday, 19. July 2009, 11:44 Post #240
Administrator Posts: 3,567 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: September 25, 2006	As this Swine Flu thing is airborne, I would have thought the best advice to be given by priests would be for parishioners affected with it to stay at home. If someone in the congregation has Swine flu, it's going to make little difference whether they receive Holy Communion on the tongue or in the hand.



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